A Short History of the Vance Surname

Different origins of the Vance name

Around the world today the surname "Vance" is found mainly in English-speaking countries like Australia, the UK and Ireland, Canada, and the United States.  The global spread of the Vance surname from the 1600s through to modern times has been documented through maps in our blog in a post from October 2013.

The paper document trails of these Vance family lines suggest that their family name came from one of two main origins:

1.  The Wentz/Wantz origins

Many of these families have traced their surname origins to original immigrants in the 18th or 19th century from Germany or Switzerland whose last name was Wentz or a variant like Wantz.  In their new English-speaking home, the last name sounded like "Vance", and either through regular usage or by the pen of a government official the new spelling stuck.

Several books (see Online Books of Interest) describe the origin of the Wentz surname as a diminutive of "Wenceslaus" or the German variant "Wenzo", and track the name's association with a Saint Wendelin and of course several kings named Wenceslaus, with variants "Wenzelo" from 1198 through "Wenzel" in the 1300s.  "Wentz" and "Wenz" were later variants appearing in the 1300s and 1400s near Basel in Switzerland and several locations in Germany.  Other sources cite Slavic variants like Vaclav but agree on the same basic timeline. 

The stories say an original Wentz family came out of Bohemia (part of the current Czech republic) or Pomerania (now part of Germany and Poland on the south Baltic Sea) and migrated into Bavaria in western Germany and to the city of Basel in Switzerland some 700 years ago.  These stories have so far not been verified.  In the 1700s and 1800s, however, several German and Swiss Wentz families immigrated to the US where the name became written as Vance.   
           

2.  The de Vaux/Vans origins

The majority of the Vances today, these families are either Irish or trace their surname to immigrants from Ireland, where "Vance" has been a Protestant name in Ulster since the 1600s.  The generally accepted origin of Vance in Ireland is from Scotland where the name was Vaus or Vans.  In 1860, a Scottish genealogist named William Balbirnie published a book that tied the Irish Vances back to a Rev. John Vans/Vance who lived in Kilmacrenan in county Donegal in Ireland from about 1617 onward, and connected him to a Vans family of minor nobility in Barnbarroch, Scotland.  The Vans of Barnbarroch have ties to the Vaux family of Dirleton near Edinburgh and from there back to the medieval de Vaux family who came over to England from Normandy with William the Conqueror around 1066. 

"de Vaux" was a Norman French place-name meaning "of the valleys", and although their exact origin in Normandy is unknown, the story of the de Vaux family in England and Scotland is fairly well-documented from the 11th century onward.  Legend ties the de Vaux family to the French/Italian de Baux family who themselves claimed a family tie back to Balthazar, one of the Magi Kings, but there remains no proof of any of those connections. 

The legends and facts surrounding the Vance origins from the de Vaux are covered in the book Path of a Family, which can be found under Online Books of Interest in our Useful Information section.

Modern DNA testing has suggested that the origins of the Irish Vances is not as simple as that proposed by Balbirnie, although one group of modern Vances has confirmed ties through DNA to the Vans of Barnbarroch and so to this general ancestry.  Whether the story is completely accurate, and whether other Vance family groups who trace their lines to Ireland have the same surname ancestry (as opposed to genetic ancestry) is unknown at this time.

3.  Other possible origins

Modern DNA testing has identified at least 9 different genetic origins (within the timeframe that surnames have been in common use) for the Vance families who have been tested so far.  While certainly some of those groups may still have derived their last names from the same origin, it is also very possible that some origins of the Vance name remain unknown. 

There is a town in Belgium named Vance and a local family of minor nobility named "de Vance" who lived there at least from the 11th through the 17th century.  However, the family name seems to have died out after that and no modern Vances trace their ancestry to this area.

Other towns in France have similar names, like Vancé in Sarthe and Vence on the Mediterranean, but these have different origins and no families with those names or anything similar to "Vance" are known to have come from those areas.

The Irish author John O'Hart proposed that the "Vance" name was derived from the Gaelic O'Uain, meaning lamb, but no evidence for this origin has been found.

Edward MacLysaght's book The Surnames of Ireland, a major reference work on Irish surnames, agrees that "Vance" first appeared in Ireland in the 17th century but says it came from Old English fenn meaning dweller by a fen (marsh) - an interesting idea, but then why did "Vance" only originate in Ireland and not also in England?  Mr. MacLysaght includes William Balbirnie's book in his bibliography but it is still unknown why he proposed this completely different theory (and offered no supporting evidence).  As far as is known today there is still no evidence of this origin from Old English.

Do you have other family stories for how your Vance ancestors got their last name?  Post them here - you may add another piece to this complicated puzzle!

194 comments:

  1. Hi..my maternal line is Vance. I'm in the early beginnings of searching genealogy trails in memory of my mom, Irma Jean Vance, her father, Claude Nelson Vance who is the son of Chance, Chancy or Charly Vance son of William Vance and Eliza Redmond. My grandpa always said he was one half maternal Cherokee (I can not find that) and I can not find little to nothing on him. TY for the site! Very nice.

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    1. Pamela, welcome. I don't see anything specifically about your Vance line in the VFA master surname list, but I'll send you a private message about some sites that might help.

      Dave

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    2. I am a Vance descendant as well. My maternal great grandmother was EFFIE VANCE (m Cotton) b 1871 TX . Her sisters were Lula Idella (Della) Vance b Mar 1868, TX and Anna Vance, brother John Vance b. Sep 1865 TX. Effie Vance m "Bud" Cotton and birthed my grandmother Dixie (Roxy) Cotton before becoming Effie Cain.
      Having much difficulty locating their parents.
      Kay Fontenot

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    3. Also, from pictures gathered, I believe there is some Indian heritage to this Vance line, perhaps Choctaw or Cherokee, but not sure. I have not searched VANS yet, tho that seems to be Irish, correct?
      Kay Fontenot

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    4. Hi Kay! Not a lot is known for sure about your Vance line yet (that I'm aware of) but here are some ideas/clues:

      1. Della (as Lula) and John Vance are shown as children of Charles W. Vance and Roena D. Vance in the 1870 US Census in Precinct 4, Washington Co, TX. Lula, John, and "E.L" Vance (presumably Effie) are listed as their children in the 1880 Census for the same location. The children are the right ages for the birth dates you mentioned, and Charles is listed as born in North Carolina and Roena in Georgia which agrees with how Effie reported her parents' birthplaces on the US censuses during her lifetime.

      While the census takers were often inaccurate, that's a pretty good consistent set of data over several census records and enough to say that Charles and Roena were very probably your Effie's parents.

      That connects to this record here for Charles: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I32205&tree=2 which shows his Vance parentage going back two more generations to James Alexander Vance, born about 1750. While I can't speak to the accuracy at least it's a place to start.

      If that data is correct, then your Vance line is of Irish origin and most likely goes back to John Vance of Coagh in Ireland. Several descendants of his came to the US.

      The Vance last name is not of Indian origin (it's mostly Irish with a few German lines) but I'm told that several Vance men in the US married women from Indian tribes in the 1700 and 1800s so it is certainly possible that their descendants today have Indian heritage. I have not seen details of those marriages though.

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    5. My name is Erma Vance, I'm African-American. My father B.Vance, always told us he had Cherokee Indian in him.

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    6. Welcome Erma! There are at least two or three lines of African-American Vances in the US; I don't know their origins but I'd love to find out more. Did you catch the "Finding Your Roots" episode where the actor Courtney B. Vance found out more about his ancestry? Could be a different Vance line of course.

      If you have any details about your Vance ancestors (full names, birth/death dates, places they lived) send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com and I'll see if I can find any other research that's been done on them!

      Dave

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    7. Hi my name is Lekeisha Vance and my Grandfather name is LeRoy Vance I don't know anything about my background but I'm just happy to see that Iam not the only one with the last name Vance I thought I was the only one left but I'm just happy to know there are so many with the same last name.

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    8. I am an African-American Vance in San Francisco. My Vance family line came from Louisiana. My Grand Father is Jeri Vance and I am trying to find any connection for him. I am 69 years old now.

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    9. My step father's name was William Eugene Vance, he is almost full blooded Cherokee indian

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  2. Hi, I'm also a Vance. I was able to only go as far back to my great great grandfather who was James Vance, he was born 1816 in Ohio, and died September 23, 1869 in Guernsey Co., Quaker City, OH. He married Maria Jane Henderson on October 29, 1840, daughter of William Henderson and Nancy Ann Clendenning. I'd like to know more about him and his lineage.

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  3. Enrique, welcome of course. You should obviously verify this information, but it looks like James was a descendant of William Vance who moved with his brother Ezekiel Vance from PA to Guernsey Co, OH before 1804. They were sons of Ezekiel Vance who died Mar 24, 1768 in Menallen Twp, York (now Adams Co), PA.

    More detail is available here: http://genforum.genealogy.com/vance/messages/3661.html and if you have an Ancestry.com membership, here: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/24237502/person/1494325962/storyx/1?pg=32817&pgpl=pid. Or if you are a VFA member, the pedigree is on pg. 89 of the July 1997 VFA newsletter.

    This was research submitted by a researcher named Carolyn K. Shearer, although there is no contact information on her in the VFA newsletter. But several Ancestry.com public family trees also have the same information (like the one I linked to above) and you may be able to find more from those researchers also.

    Dave

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  4. Hi I'm also a Vance, it was my mother's maiden name. I'm from the Philippines.
    I don't much about my mother, because my parents separated when I was just a 6 years old.
    So I can't recall much. Appreciate this blog. I've been searching for my mom for years now. I don't even have a vivid memory of her. Anyway, I hope she's doing Okay though.

    Thanks so much for this site.-

    LK Vance Sate

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    1. LK, sorry for the delay in responding, but welcome. Did your mother live in the Philippines? I don't know much myself, although there is a Lee W. Vance and a John R. Vance who both wrote about the Philippines. If you have ANY details send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com and I can help you look.

      Some people have luck taking DNA tests and finding lost family connections, although you'd need that someone from your mother's family had tested too so that the DNA matches show up, so it's a bit luck of the draw. In your case you'd want either an autosomal DNA test (called variously Family Finder, or Family DNA tests) or a mitochondrial DNA test (called various names but often "maternal line"). Anyway that's a possibility too.

      Dave

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  5. my maiden name is vance. my dad was glenn roger vance he was born in Richmond va. I think in 1943. some family say we are related to jim vance I don't know. I am just trying ti find some of my ancestors from my dads side. his dads name was doug vance and his mother was mollie vance. could you help?

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    1. Hi - sorry for the delay in responding. If you can send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com, I can point you to what I think is information on your grandparents - could they be Henry Douglas (Doug) Vance and Mollie Vance (nee Street) who lived in Buchanan County, VA?

      Dave

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  6. I'm a Vance, we are part Dutch, Irish, German, and Native American, our last names were originally Vans, but when our ancestors came to America they changed it to Vance.

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    1. Britney, apologies for the delay in responding and welcome to the site. Do you know what line of Vances you come from, or who your oldest Vance ancestor is? The VFA has info on many Vance family lines and we might be able to connect you with other research or researchers.

      In any case, enjoy the site!

      Dave

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  7. I am a Vance. We are Irish, Scottish, English and Chickash/Choctaw. My family is from Oklahoma. My dad and grandpa names are Roger Sr. And Roger Jr. My name is Rodney. I am trying to learn more about my family history. Thanks

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    1. Rodney, welcome. What else do you know about your Vances? I know of one Roger Thomas Vance Sr, born about 1944 who passed away in 2012 who had a son Roger Thomas Vance Jr - is that perhaps your line?

      For male Vances (or female Vances who have living male Vance relatives) I always encourage a Y-DNA test with one of the major companies (Family Tree DNA, 23andMe, Family Genomes Corp, etc); it's not always cheap but a lot of research has been done on the Y-DNA of the Vance lines and it's improving all the time. That might connect you into known Vance family lines in cases where your traditional research runs cold. But first if you can tell me more about what you know of your Vance line (or send me an email at davevance01@gmail.com) we can see if there is other research first!

      Dave

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  8. My father's mother was a Vance: Mary Vance, born outside Belfast, Northern Ireland, in 1885. Her mother was Elizabeth Somerville Vance; her father was Thomas Vance. She had 3 sisters and 4 younger brothers. Mary emigrated to the U.S. (Boston area) at the age of 17, but the rest of the family stayed in the Belfast area. I was told that Mary's family originally (or at least previously) came from France. I am interested in any information that might be available about this part of the Vance family.

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    1. Welcome to the site! I suspect this is your Thomas and Elizabeth Vance family in Belfast: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I10647&tree=2; not a lot of detail there but it looks like Mary had at least two brothers (she's not even listed there!).

      Try this descendant report also: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rootschat.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D570955.0%3Battach%3D264313&ei=TE9eVPz2I86cygStqoGQDg&usg=AFQjCNHs2Xtux3lfFYm_qSY0Lf_iH6bE-A&sig2=Ose9riCq5RoJ6pmU_BFpYA&bvm=bv.79189006,d.aWw

      It gives a huge family tree and includes Thomas Vance and Elizabeth (Lizzie) Somerville Vance around page 30, BUT I don't know the origin or depth of research of this tree, so please use it only as a guide and not as established fact until you can either prove or disprove it!

      As to Mary's origins from France; I don't know if that refers to the traditional story of the Vance surname in Ireland coming from the de Vaux family of Normandy (as told on in our history above) or if it means she was from a later French origin. I know of cases where Huguenot French families named Vaux emigrated to the British Isles in the 17th and 18th centuries, although I'm not aware of actual examples where those lines had their names evolve into "Vance", it's always possible.

      I'll explore more about this Vance line in the VFA files, but send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com if you want any additional help in looking into it!

      Dave

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  9. My maiden name is Vance. My dad is from Logan county west Virginia. His name is Johnnie and his brother is Dennie. My grandparents name are Wesley Vance and Hattie's proctor. Wesley's parents name are bud Vance and Mollie Stephenson. I am not sure if bud is a nickname or not. I was told we have Cherokee and also related to the Hatfield's and McCoys. Not sure which side. If anyone has any info, please email me at deeceetreasures@gmail.com.

    Thanks, Denise

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  10. My last name is Vance, My grandfather Mose Vance was a cousin to Jim Vance. His fathers name was Meek Vance and mothers name was Laura bell France before marriage, After his father passed away his mom married a man by the name of Dock Johnson. I know he was born in Mingo county west Virginia in 1911 and played in the tug river with cousins ( Hatfields ) as a child, trying to find more info on my family. Also heard we were related in some form with the Cantrell family and was courious about that as well.

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    1. Welcome to the blog! There is at least some information about your grandfather in this family tree online: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hagerj&id=I322641, including his lineage back to Abner Vance (Jim Vance's grandfather).

      If you're on Facebook, there is a FB Group dedicated to these lines of Vances at https://www.facebook.com/groups/692661887461090/. You could join there and probably connect to folks who know your line at least wherever they connect to your ancestors. Or I know a couple of researchers who are active on Abner's descendants also if you want to send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com I can put you in touch.

      I'm connected to your line also myself, but long before these folks - back in Ireland some time in the 1600s! Our ancestors came over separately to the US. DNA testing is helping to sort the old lines out.

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  11. Sam N. Vance here, son of Sam J. Vance and grandson of Sam H. Vance of Hillsboro, OH. Our ancestors moved to South Central Ohio from Virginia, and from what I remember, the South Central Ohio region was part of lands promised to soldiers that served during(I think) the war of 1812.

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    1. Sam, welcome! There were Vances in Highland Co, OH pretty early on but I think most of those were from Fayette Co, PA originally. You can find some bits about those Vances at these links: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcnewma/pdf_files/doc-vance.pdf and https://books.google.com/books?id=3DsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA503&dq=vance+hillsboro+ohio&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nD7OVIDtGMmqNqDHgfgC&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=vance%20hillsboro%20ohio&f=false

      But if your Vance line came from Virginia then it's possible there was a connection but they might not be related.

      There is also Gen. Joseph Vance who served in the War of 1812 and then became Governor of Ohio in the mid-1800s, but I think his Vance line was from Greene Co.

      Since you are a male of Vance descent, a DNA test (the Y-DNA test) could tell you which Vance line you descend from and which were your closest other Vance family lines! Let me know if you need more info about that but it's one option if your research hits a dead end.

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  12. I am a Vance also I have traced the history back to the Bible and I refuse to go back any further. I can trying to find out some more about my grandfather William Lewis Vance, about him being in the Army and I am having no luck. So could someone please help.

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    1. We have a number of William Vances and Lewis Vances, but only one William Lewis Vance that I know of. Is this your grandfather: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I12352&tree=2? If that is him, then your Vance line also runs back to Abner Vance. I could put you in touch with some researchers on those lines or FB pages if you're interested.

      You didn't leave any contact information but if you want to send me an email at davevance01 @ gmail.com I'd be happy to follow up.

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  13. My name is maynard w vance from maine

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    1. Hi Maynard, apologies for the delay in responding; sometimes my day job intrudes. Welcome to the site of course!

      How much do you know about your Vance ancestry? There was a Thomas Vance who came from Ireland and lived in Caribou, Maine starting around the 1840's; his descendants are part of Vance DNA Group 2a. Or did your Vances come to Maine at a different time?

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    2. My father's name was Fenton W Vance born 1932 my grandfather name was Henry Vance born 1898 or 99 ...was told that my name and my father's name was called family names

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  14. Hi, my grandfather beast Jerry Lamade Vance, I can trace his family back to 1753 with George Vance in Donegal County Ireland. And that's where I'm stuck. Any information would be great.

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  15. Nick Vance here. I'm told my grandfather, George Washington Vance, came from Ireland along with four brothers to Maine before scattering to various states. I believe one went to NC and another to the Northwest. All were logging men. My grandfather went to Mississippi, where he lost his legs in a sawmill accident and died too young. My father, Joseph Cecil Vance, became the family breadwinner at age 14.

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    1. Nick, welcome. I have logging relatives myself; no legs lost that I know of but many fingers missing on that side of the family...

      I see several family trees for George Washington Vance on Ancestry.com - some have him a descendant of Samuel Vance and Sarah Colville (a known Vance line in the US), others say different; so it sounds like this line of Vances has differing theories. As a Vance male descendant you could get your Y-DNA tested (the Y chromosome passed down only by men) which might tie you into one of the 10 known Vance male DNA lines - that might not give you your exact ancestral line but it would tell you where they came from before the US and might connect you to descendants of the other brothers!

      Dave

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  16. Hello~
    My maternal great grandfather was James Vance of Anderson, IN. He worked for the railroad and lived to be 99 years old. I am just starting my journey on tracing my origins. Any help you can give me or places to do research would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks!
    Angie
    ps- I wonder if we're related!

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    1. Hi Angie and welcome to the blog. What do you know about your James Vance (birth/death dates, spouse's name, etc)? I see 3-4 James Vances in this database if any of those match: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/search.php?mybool=AND&nr=50&tree=-x--all--x-&mylastname=vance&lnqualify=contains&myfirstname=James&fnqualify=contains&mydeathplace=in&dpqualify=contains

      We may well be related - DNA testing is showing that many of the Vance immigrants into the US were offshoots of the same original families in Ireland, Germany, or wherever else they came from. Do you have any Vance male cousins who have or could take a Y-DNA test? That tests the y-chromosome which men pass to their sons and since that's the usual way last names were also passed, it is useful to tie Vance families together. But for our purposes the man who takes the DNA test has to have inherited his y-chromosome from his Vance male ancestor.

      Otherwise explore the blog links and information and see if it generates any ideas, or send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com if that raises any questions!

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  17. Hi David and welcome! I know there were several lines of Vances who made it to Alabama, if your Vance line has roots there. Some of them are documented in this Ancestry thread: http://boards.rootsweb.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1469&p=surnames.vance

    Otherwise if you know more about your Vance line back in time (names, dates, etc), post them here or send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com and I'm happy to help.

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  18. Hello David! This is Jerry in Virginia and I am also a Vance descendant! My Great great grandmother is Rachel Patterson Vance (b. 1834 Washington Co PA - grandaughter of Capt William Vance) - I have had some difficulty in verifying the link between our Vance ancestors in PA and the Vans of Barnbarroch - might you be able to provide any assistance - I haven't yet figured out quite how to read the DNA tree charts! Your site here is wonderful - I appreciate all the hard work that must have gone into it! Thanks again!

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  19. Hi Jerry! I've been looking into the line of Capt. William Vance and it appears he is part of what is called Vance Group 1b in the DNA research. We know that line was connected to the Vans of Barnbarroch (who are Group 1a), what we don't know is exactly when they split. It could well have been before the Rev. John Vans of Kilmacrenan (if he even WAS of the same line, see our blog post about him here for the various debates). It could even have been before the Barnbarroch line was founded (c. 1384), meaning 1b could be an offshoot of the Vaux of Dirleton or the de Vaux of England/Normandy (if you accept the whole origin story).

    If you want the details on Group 1b including Capt. William Vance's line you can find them here: http://www.vancegenealogy.com/Group%201%20Overview%20-%20Genealogy%20of%201b.pdf. Or the comparison between Groups 1a and 1b in detail is available here: http://www.vancegenealogy.com/Group%201%20Overview%20-%20DNA.pdf. Happy reading!

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    1. I have to agree with you - keeping all those Vance's in Frederick Co VA straight is enough to make your head spin! A cousin of ours published a family history some 30 odd years ago that traced our Vances back to the Vans/Vaux/de Vaux of England with no mention of Barnbarroch so perhaps that split happened very early indeed. Thanks for all your time and assistance - and it's a pleasure to be a part of such a influential and prodigious family :)

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  20. My husband is a Vance. He descends from Joseph Vance b1782 NC d1857 Coweta CO, GA. We are new to this exciting adventure of ancestry. Any helps/guidance you can provide will be greatly appreciated. We are also interested in participating in the DNA project. Thanks, Cindy
    Best contact: holtonvance@aol.com

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    1. Hi Cindy! Joseph Vance is shown here as the son of Samuel Vance and Alice Carr: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I2417&tree=2. Honestly thought I tend to doubt that entry since both his mother and father would have been 56 at his birth in 1782. They could still be his grandparents though! And the birthplace of Samuel Vance listed as Scotland is probably conjecture based on his DNA lineage.

      That Vance line has been identified as Group 1b (the same as Jerry's above). There is an overview of Samuel Vance on page 18 of the Group 1b report here: http://www.vancegenealogy.com/Group%201%20Overview%20-%20Genealogy%20of%201b.pdf. You might also read the Group 1a/1b joint report at http://www.vancegenealogy.com/Group%201%20Overview%20-%20DNA.pdf.

      Since your husband is (presumably) a direct male Vance descendant he can verify his Vance DNA Group with a Y-DNA test. To participate in the Vance DNA project, he needs to take an "STR test" at Family Tree DNA, testing at least 37 markers although more is better. Those run $169-$359 and you can find out more here: https://www.familytreedna.com/y-dna-compare.aspx.

      But if he just wants to see if he's in Group 1 (a or b), he can do that for $17.50 by testing what's called an SNP. He would use a company called YSEQ and test for the SNP "A3". That would give him just a yes/no answer for whether he's in Group 1 or not. You can find out more about that here: http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=6048 or send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com.if you have questions on any of this.

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    2. I am married to a Vance his dads name is Joseph Vance they are from Pa. Fredericksburge Pa.My Husband is Stacy Vance!

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    3. Hi Noreen! Does your husband know any of his Vance line further back? The Vance Family Association has info on many of the Vance immigrants to the US and their immediate descendants, but you usually need to know 2-3 generations back at least to connect with one of the lines they know about. Otherwise I can also look through Ancestry.com and other sites, but again they often don't show current living people so it's best if we start with a bit about his ancestry!

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    4. Hello Noreen and Dave.My name is Sherry and my husband Tom is a Vance. His father is Eugene Vance. Eugene's father was Philip Victor Vance Jr. Married to Irene Shott.Philip Victor jr was a brother to Joseph from Fredricksburg Pa. Their father was Philip Victor Sr. Married to Eva Betz.His father was William born in 1864 I believe in New Jersey. His wife was a Lillian Ristenbatt from Lebanon Pa. That is where I have hit a dead end. I would appreciate any further assistance. My email address is slvance1964@comcast.net

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    5. Hi Sherry; you might possibly find more in the VFA newsletters if you join, but there isn't a lot known about this Vance line it seems. Certainly William's father isn't known yet through traditional genealogy. There is a little bit in Jamie Vans' database here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I34244&tree=2

      In this case since your husband is a direct male descendant, a Y-DNA test would be the best option to find where William Vance's line connects to other Vances. I would suggest either the Y-111 test from Family Tree DNA, or if that's too expensive, the Y-37 test would be a less desirable but cheaper alternative.

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  21. My grandmother maiden name is Vance her Mother and Father was Joseph Anthony Vance and Clara Vance(maiden name Patton) of Louisville, Kentucky .he had a Brother named Oscar which I noticed in a earlier post someone said they have Choctaw genes this is true because Oscar Vance married a Choctaw women with the last name Lisenbe which had a Brother or father named Cleo ! All the Vance I found that I'm related to are from Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio, Tennessee, Pennsylvanian, Virginia and for some reason Alabama is where Josephs parents got married and had a child ! If needed I can provide more names ! Any information. On the European side would be helpful to me ! My mother has always claimed our bloodline is from France? Also she said our name is really pronounced VON-SAY ? Thank you

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    1. Hi! The largest number of Vances in the US today come from immigrants from Ireland, and the one known origin of the Vance name in Ireland is from the Vans family in Scotland who originally came from the de Vaux families in Normandy in France. So that may be the source of your mother's claim that the bloodline was French. You can find out more about those origins in the book Path of a Family, Part 1 (not Part 2) that's available here for free: https://sites.google.com/site/vancepath/.

      I'm not sure where the pronunciation VON-SAY came from; in French "Vance" would normally be pronounced VON-SE. There IS a town called Vancé (with an accent) in France that would be pronounced VON-SAY, but there's no known connection (so far) between that town and Vance as a last name.

      Otherwise your Vances cover a lot of states! Who is the earliest (oldest) Vance in your ancestry that you know of?

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  22. Hi, Dave - I'm a Vance descendant through the David Vance / Joseph Colville Vance / Wilson Vance / Miles Wilson Vance line that ended up in Ohio . My dad's DNA analysis a few years ago revealed that we are part of the Barnbarroch line, and my family visited that area as well as Dirleton when we were in Scotland two years ago. Now we are considering a trip to Ireland, and I'm hoping to be able to target a few regions or counties where it's likely my ancestors lived after their time in Scotland. As I understand it, there's not currently any way to determine when my specific direct ancestors left the Barnbarroch area and went to Ireland -- or even WHETHER they went to Ireland and had descendants there who were the ones who came to America, or whether they came directly from Scotland. My earliest American ancestor, David Vance, is kind of a murky character genealogy-wise, and I'm not sure that the frequently seen "born in Ireland" for him is accepted as being true or not. I see the link to Path of a Family and will read it -- thank you for making it available free!

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    1. Hi! You're part of what's called Vance DNA Group 1b, which is a very interesting group because it split off the Barnbarroch line earlier than the rest of the Barnbarroch descendants (who are Group 1a). It's possible that it started with a junior son in the first few generations of the Barnbarroch line or even that it was a direct offshoot of the de Vaux of Dirleton or even earlier!

      The Group 1b members are all found in the US today and you're right they haven't found the link back to Ireland or Scotland yet.

      The "Path of a Family" Part 1 book traces what's known of the early Scottish and Irish Vance lines. You'll note there are at least two emigrants into Ireland from Scotland - the Rev. John Vans of Kilmacrenan who was either of the Barnbarroch or Menie Vans lines, and George Vaux/Vans who was from Cumberland (which is actually northern England, not Scotland and George was likely a descendant of the Vaux of Cumberland who were a different branch. That's a POSSIBLE origin for Group 1b but certainly not the only one.

      Anyway we're getting closer to being able to suggest more DNA testing for the Group 1a/b lines that will help sort out the timeframes and relationships, so if you're interested stay tuned to the blog!

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    2. I'm also a descendant of the David Vance/Sarah Colville line through their daughter Martha Vance. Now I know I'm a group 1b Vance. Thanks!

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  23. My name is Richard Bohn Vance, Jr. My grandfather was Bohn Vance and his father was Guy Warren Vance and his father was Melanthon Cramer Vance. They seemed to be in Skeedee/Pawnee, Oklahoma for a long time. I have traced the line pretty far back using Ancestry.com, but I'm not sure how accurate that data is - I have gotten all the way back through Patrick Vance(1589-1673) & Catherine Kennedy, to William Vans & Catherine Douglas (1300's).
    Thank you for your great site and all the work you have done.

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    1. Richard, greetings. What I can find of your Vance line takes it back in the US to a William Vance who died in PA in 1803; he was possibly married to a Mary Montgomery. Does that sound right?

      I did not see that we know which line of Vances yours is related to, so if you had a chance to take a Y-DNA test it would tell you a lot about which other Vance lines you were most connected to before your US line. You can contact me at davevance01@gmail.com if you want more details.

      The connection from the US Vances to William Vans and Catherine Douglas as it is usually documented typically includes the Rev. John Vans of Kilmacrenan in Ireland back to the Vans family of Barnbarroch and from there to William Vans and Catherine Douglas who were the last Vans baron and baroness of Dirleton, Scotland. That lineage has three main breaks - first we have not really connected (to my knowledge) any US Vance lines securely to the Rev. John Vans of Kilmacrenan. We know many US Vances came from Ireland originally and he is the best known of the Irish Vans/Vances of the 1600s so it's certainly possible he has descendants but we don't know which ones. Second, we have no proven link from the Rev. John Vans to the Vans family of Barnbarroch. And third, although there is other evidence (heraldic, for instance) that the Vans of Barnbarroch descend from the Vans of Dirleton, there a gap of a couple of generations between the two families and the exact link is unknown.

      However, we know through DNA analysis that some of the US Vance lines DO descend from the same original family as the Vans of Barnbarroch and they all probably broke off some time between the 1300s and 1600s. So the basic story (whether it runs through the Rev. John Vans or someone else) is factual!

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    2. Thanks, Dave. I have ordered my DNA kit so I will be able to know more, soon. There are a couple William and Mary's in my tree; a Mary Engle (d. 1830) and Mary Colville (d. 1757). That is from work done by others. My documentation goes only to John Vance (1812-1889) m. Jane Hanby (d.1892). The first US Vance in my line is Andrew (1666 Ireland-1754 PA or VA) m. Jane Hoge. I'm just getting back to doing research; there is so much more data available now than there was 5 years ago.
      rvance@alaskastyle.com

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  24. My name is Misty Patton. My paternal grandmother was Sidney Vause Clark (nee Vance). She married Cornelius Frank Clark in Lewis Co. Ky in the town of VANCEburg (founded by joseph Vance, a relative of hers). I'm afraid that's all the info I have on her. The family has either died out or have parted ways so getting any further info is up to me. Any info as to our line of Vance's would be appreciated. Please email me with any questions misty_c_clark@yahoo.com

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    1. Hi Misty; I did not find anyone actively researching your Vance line but I have an unproven theory, pulled mainly from census records.

      I see your grandmother Sydney Vause Vance was born in 1900 in Lewis, KY and died in 1979. In the 1910 US Census in Vanceburg there is a John Vance born about 1859 in Ohio married to a Stella R Vance born about 1875, and their second child is a daugher Sydney about 9 in 1910. This is very possibly your grandmother. A John Vance born 1859 then appears in Concord in Lewis, KY in the 1870 census as the son of David Vance born about 1820 who was married to a Margaret J Vance born about 1832. Those are quite possibly Sydney Vance's grandparents.

      There is quite a large group of Vances who came I think from Pennsylvania originally and moved to Ohio. Then two brothers went to Lewis Co, KY in the late 1700s. Then some of those Vances came back to Ohio about 1810 or so including the Joseph Vance you mentioned and who I think was the father of the Joseph Vance who was Governor of Ohio in the 1830s. Anyway it's pretty likely those are the Vance lines that your grandmother is from.

      There is a discussion on the Ancestry forum about these Vances that you might look at mainly because several researchers looking at these lines have posted there, and you might be able to connect with some of them who might know more about these Vances and where exactly your grandmother might fit. The discussion link is http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=3282&p=surnames.vance.

      Anyway best of luck in your research! I hope you find your connections and if we can help further just post here or let me know.

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  25. My name is trina vance im from fremont ne. My father is james vance born 1954 in omaha and his father was melvin vance born 1935 his father was roy franklin vance. He and his wife lived in kentucky.. my father says we are english irish german polish and dutch. That is all I know so far any help would be appreciated thank you.

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    1. Hi Trina. There is an Ancestry.com member named kayfeaster90 who seems to have researched this Vance line; her tree for Roy Franklin Vance is at http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18802612/person/717299982 if that helps any; you might try contacting her. She does not list your Melvin Vance as a son of Roy Franklin's, but if you check Roy's family in the 1940 US Census in Fremont, Dodge, Nebraska, Melvin is listed there as their youngest child.

      She takes this Vance line back to William James Henry Vance (also just James Henry Vance) born about 1848 in NY. Other researchers have suggested that HIS father was James Joseph Vance born around 1814 in Orange Co, NY.

      Do you know if any of your Vance male relatives have taken a genealogy DNA test? For these purposes it has to be a male (since normally men pass down the last name also). But if your father or any of your male Vance relatives would be willing to have their DNA tested it might connect you to one of the known lines of Vances in the US who are usually of either Irish or German origin. It won't tell you exactly who your relatives were but it may connect you to other researchers who are looking into the same lines.

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  26. My grandfather was Newton E. Vance, Sr. I don't know where he was born but he died in Villisca, Iowa. He wife's name was Jessie. My mother's name was Mary Loma Vance (Peterson-Hoover), her sister was Ruth, brother was Newton, Jr. and another brother that I knew only as "Bud."
    Can you share any information?

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    1. This is not a well-researched Vance line but hopefully I can add a little. Please note this is only based on a short bit of research and you should look for more evidence to corroborate all of this!

      Your grandfather Newton Emerson Vance Sr. was born on 11 Feb 1879 in Ashland, Nebraska, according to his Social Security application and other records on Ancestry.com, although some records show him born 11 Feb 1880. In the 1880 Federal Census, a 1-year-old Newton Vance and his 3-year-old brother "Chas" are shown living with their mother, Loma Vance, born about 1854. She is listed in the census as a widow, so with a 3-year old and a 1-year old presumably her husband had recently died.

      Here it gets interesting. Pvt. Theodore F. Vance (he was a private in the Civil War), born in 1844, married a woman named Louisa born in 1854; they are listed in the 1870 Census living in Stove Creek only 20 miles from Ashland, with no children. In August 1879 Theodore was living in Ashland where he died from being kicked by a horse (per Nebraska records on Ancestry.com).

      There is a lot of what I'll call circumstantial evidence that "Loma Vance" and "Louisa Vance" are the same person - they were both born in 1854 in Ohio and lived in Ashland in the 1879/1880 timeframe and never show up together at the same time in any records, and so on. And the 1880 census says Newton and Chas's father was born in Ohio also, which Theodore was. So for all those reasons I believe that Theodore was Newton's father.

      Happily Theodore and Louisa fit into a known Vance line. Here is a family group sheet for them (http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I20157&tree=2) that ties them into a Vance line connecting back to a John Vance who died in Pennsylvania all the way back in 1734. I don't believe we know yet which DNA group this Vance line connects to, but I'll look closer at that piece.

      Hope that helps!

      Dave

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    2. I am Direct descendant of John Vance who died in Pennsylvania in 1734. I am currently researching to find more about him, where he was born and who his parents were. I just sent in my ancestry.com dna test. Hopefully that will help out. If not I will take a Y-DNA test.

      If any finds out any info on this John Vance or this bloodline please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated.

      jdvance3@gmail.com

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  27. Hi! I've always been told I was Irish, German, and native American. My father James Milton Vance II's father (James milton vance I) of Irish decent mother Judith Cremeens of German. Was curious what info may be out there or resource I may be able to find out for myself?

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    1. Hi Jeremy; was your grandfather James Milton Vance from San Antonio, TX by any chance and died around 1930? That's the one of that name that I know of but there may certainly be lots of others.

      Otherwise if you can post any dates when they were born and died or anything else about your Vance line I can check if there is more information. You can reach me at davevance01@gmail.com if you'd prefer. The Vance Family Association also has access to more research than I do and you can also contact them directly through the links for the VFA provided here on the blog.

      Ancestry.com also has a lot of user-posted family trees and you can often find other researchers there who have ancestors in common with you, but you can't always count on the accuracy of their research.

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  28. I'm a Vance that lives in Northern BC Canada. We are of Tahltan First Nation, Irish and Scottish. :) My Great Granfather Charles Vance came from the US for the Gold Rush way back when and married a Tahltan women from the area.

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  29. I'm a Vance that lives in Northern BC Canada. We are of Tahltan First Nation, Irish and Scottish. :) My Great Granfather Charles Vance came from the US for the Gold Rush way back when and married a Tahltan women from the area.

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    1. Ah, BC... I spent a very enjoyable summer once fishing the Skeena and Kispiox rivers west of Prince George...

      Is that Charles William Vance born about 1880 who moved up to Telegraph Creek? I'm aware of that Charles Vance at least but I haven't seen that anyone knows much about him before he came to BC. I think he came from Minnesota?

      If you are a male-line descendant I would defintely suggest a DNA test to find out more about what line Charles Vance was from. Contact me at davevance01@gmail.com if you'd like more information!

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  30. I am a Vance. my grandma's last name was. hackney. that's about all I know as of now. idk where I'm from and would very much like to find out.
    -Shannon vance

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  31. I am a Vance. my grandma's last name was. hackney. that's about all I know as of now. idk where I'm from and would very much like to find out.
    -Shannon vance

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    1. Hi Shannon - was your grandmother Beulah Mae Hackney, and passed away in 2001? That's the only recent Hackney I see connected with the Vances in the online database; if you try this link you'll see what is there:

      http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I27219&tree=2

      That also traces back her husband Theron Vance's line (click on his father's name and his father etc) back to Vances from Logan County, VA in the 1780s.

      Many of the Vances in Logan have been connected to Group 2 in the Vance DNA project which is the subject of our recent article here and is known to be originally from Ireland (and mostly from Northern Ireland). We don't know much more about its origins. But Theron Vance's line hasn't had their DNA tested yet so we don't know where they fit in for sure.

      If you have brothers or cousins who still have the last name Vance (and who as males would carry the Y DNA we need for testing) then they could get their DNA tested to see what group they fit into.

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  32. Hi Dave,
    My maiden name is Vance. My father is Donald Roy Vance, his Father Roy Vance. I am from Ontario Canada. Any links?

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    1. Now that's an interesting origin, Melanie, and you've got me a little stumped. Is this perhaps your grandfather by any chance?

      http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I37180&tree=2

      It could be but I can't really tell if that line stayed in Ontario or not. If that IS your line, then it appears to have come directly from Scotland to the US and I'd very much like to locate a male Vance descendant who would be willing to get DNA tested. Most of our Vance lines in North America came from Ireland and although the Scottish lines are related it would be very interesting to see where one that stayed in Scotland might connect.

      I may be off-base of course on where you connect so if that's not right and if you have ANY other information about your Vance ancestors (dates, places of birth, etc) I'd be happy to follow up. You can reach me directly at davevance01@gmail.com.

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  33. My maiden name is Vance. My dad is Charles Daniel Vance from WV. His dad is Charles Homer Vance from WV. WWII. His dad Homer Lewis Vance from WV. WWI. His dad is Charles Vance from PA. His dad is James E. Vance from Oh. His dad is Thomas Vance of VA. Thomas married his half sister Sarah N. Colwell. Their mother is Rising Sun.

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    1. Welcome Tracy! I think that Thomas Vance is the one who moved from Rockbridge Co, VA to Gallia Co, OH? If that's the one there have been a few articles about him and his descendants in the VFA newsletters but he remains a pretty elusive character. His Vance line has been classified as Group 5 in the Vance DNA project but I don't think there have been enough people tested in that group to draw many conclusions about it. Best of luck in your research and if we can help let me know!

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  34. Hello! My name is Bailey Edsall-Parr. I'm a 23 year old adoptee {Afro-American mixed with English and Scots} and anthropology student from Michigan. I recently discovered I'm descended from Abner Vance- via his grandson James Browning.

    I've heard many stories about Abner Vance online. One rumor is that he was part Native American- other Vance descendants claim oral tradition of this. Is there any truth to this? I know he was listed as "white" during the colonial and post-Revolutionary days. There are also rumors that his wife Susanna Howard was Cherokee or Native American. Would you know anything on this?

    I'm just curious. My personal email is baileyedsallparr@yahoo.com if you want to contact me directly. I hope you can help me & I thank you for your time.

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    1. Bailey, welcome to the Vances!

      Few Vances have so many legends attached to them as Abner Vance does. He was said to be an Indian scout, an itinerant preacher, and lots of other things. As far as I know all we DO know is that he was descended from an Irish Vance line in what is now known as DNA Group 2a and most likely a son of Matthew Vance of Pittsylvania. and of course he was hanged in Abingdon in 1819 for the murder of Lewis Horton and wrote the Vance Song etc.

      A good unbiased overview of what is known about Abner is at http://blueridgecountry.com/blogging/hatfields-mccoys-revisited-blog/hatfields-mccoys-revisited-part-5-1-abner-vance/. That's the first article in a 3 part series.

      Does that mean he or his wife did NOT have American Indian heritage. No, of course. But as far as I know those stories have never been proven.

      I would be happy to help you investigate your Vance line further. I'm very interested in how the Vance surname originated in the African-American community!

      Sincerely,

      Dave

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  35. I have followed my family tree back to William vance of County Antrim Belfast Ireland born in or around 1776 he was married to mary small, but this is as far back as I have gotten, 3 years of searching and this was my dead end I don't know what else to do there aren't any marriage records or gravesites or death certificates I can find to tell who his parents were. so I'm at a standstill.

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    1. Hi! There is some collected information on this William Vance and Mary Small here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I8291&tree=2. But I would also urge you to join the Vance Family Association if you haven't already and look at their newsletter index for anything else published about this family. And of course please submit what you know also as an article for the VFA newsletter!

      Unfortunately many of us are stuck in the 1700s with our Irish lines; I am as well. Records are just so scarce for Ireland from there back that you have to be VERY lucky to find them mentioned.

      More and more Irish records are being digitized; you might try the pay site RootsIreland.ie to see if they have indexed anything, or FamilySearch gets more records added from time to time also. Or you can also try the "census substitutes" - the hearth tax rolls, the muster rolls, and so on, but those vary by county. There are many Vances listed on them but you have to know which county William's family was likely to have lived in at that time.

      This is a pretty well-researched Vance line; have you connected with other descendants to see what they may have uncovered? The sources listed on that link I put above show posts from some of the other researchers, or sometimes just an Internet search for the pair will list questions or information posted by other researchers and you can connect that way. Or the VFA would probably know some of the active researchers if you send them an email.

      That's just a few suggestions and you may have already tried them all of course! If I think of anything further I'll post it here.

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    2. Thank you kindly for your time im much obliged for it and ill give that ago. Hopefully we all wont be stuck in the 1700s good luck on your search as well any other tips or want to get ahold of me hres my personal email goldennightshade05@gmail.com or any others on here need help to this line of Vance's I'm here.

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  36. I am Julie Vance. My Vance line is: father, Bobby Joe Vance, grandfather William Jack Vance, g grandfather Hezekiah Karr Vance, gg grandfather James Jackson Vance born in Jefferson Alabam and died in Polk county Arkansas, I think his father was David H Vance born in 1815 in North Carolina died between 1850 and 1860 at short creek, Jefferson co Alabama. Do you have anymore information? Is his father Samual Vance son of David of Mecklenburg NC? Is Hezekiah's middle name "Karr" a clue that he may be from Samual Vance and Alice Carr?

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    1. Julie, welcome but I'm sorry I don't have more information for you. If you're the same Julie Vance that I see has corresponded with Jamie Vans in the past you'll be familiar with this line of Vances in his database here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I16166&tree=2 but I don't see any more information than you already have collected there or in the VFA newsletters.

      If regular records have been thoroughly researched it may be that a DNA test on a male Vance descendant of James Jackson Vance would be the best way to determine their older connections.

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  37. Hello! I am a Vance and it is my proud maiden name. My father's name is Darryl Vance and he is the son of Cecil Vance from Delaware who married Mildred Rippetoe, (I think that is spelled right?). I have not been able to find out about Cecil's parents, as he passed away when I was 10. But my father claims we are related to the Abner Vance line. Can you help me with this and possibly confirm? I think I can talk my brother into a DNA test if you are successful. Thanks!

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    1. Hi Crystal - I think I can help. According to the 1920 US Census, Cecil E. Vance was born in 1916 to Charley J Vance and Dora B Vance (born Dora Belle Adkins); in 1920 they were living in Sheridan, Lincoln, WV. By the way, the Missouri records online (and Ancestry.com) also have the marriage license for Cecil and Mildred Rippetoe in Jackson, Missouri on 6 Apr 1946.

      Charley J Vance is recorded in Ancestry.com public trees (with links to Census evidence) as the son of Leander Jackson Vance and Parlee Chafin from Logan, WV. and Leander is the son of Levi Jackson Vance and Mary Bane McDonald; Levi is the son of John Vance and Hannah Rader, and John was Abner Vance of Logan, WV's son. That is your link to Abner.

      If your brother took a DNA test he should be in Group 2a of the Vance DNA project.

      If you want more details on these lines, contact me at davevance01@gmail.com and I can share or point you to the records. There is also a Facebook group that you might consider joining for descendants of Abner at https://www.facebook.com/groups/692661887461090/ and the researchers there have a lot of details on Abner's lines; you might connect with others with the sane ancestors.

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  38. I'm a Vance from my fathers side & am so excited to find this site!
    I've been wanting to do our family genealogy for years but don't know where to start.
    I've long suspected we have Irish in our lineage somewhere but everyone scoffs & laughs. A boy I went to high school with also had the last name Vance & people thought we were related, but we weren't. I bumped into him at one of our high school reunions & he told me he was doing his families genealogy & Vance was an Irish surname.
    I would love to find out so i can share w my children & grandchildren!
    Where do I start?

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    1. My fathers name is Philip J Vance, son of Charles Vance & Frances ? (Don't know her maiden name)

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    2. Hi! Do you know your grandfather Charles Vance's birth/death dates, or perhaps where he was born or lived? That would help narrow him down to find if others have included him in their research. Or do you know anything else about where your Vance line came from?

      You can also reach me at davevance01@gmail.com if you prefer.

      Dave

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  39. Hi Vance here! I don't know much about my dads side with the exception of my Grandfather Earl Milton Vance (1920-1986) married to Betty Jean Maus and my Great Grandfather Paul Bowen Vance (1895-1977) married to Ruth... I've always been interested to know my Vance side!

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    1. Hi! You can find out a little more about your great-grandfather and great-grandmother here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I33106&tree=2, including the name of his own father. But it looks like we don't know a lot more. I'll take a look at a few other sources and see if there's anything else about this line!

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    2. I have a few more Vance generations for your family here. I've included the records where I found references to parents, but you should always double-check all sources and form your own conclusions!

      Based on that link above, Paul Bowen Vance's parents were James Milton Vance (b. 1859 in IN) and Florence E. Bowen, who were married in IN on 25 Sep 1882. Their marriage record lists as parents of James, William Vance and Amanda King. William and Amanda were married 17 Feb 1846 and THEIR marriage record lists William's father as William Vance (b. 1790) who married Harriet Thomas.

      You can find William Vance (b. 1790)'s record here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I22323&tree=2 and his father was James Vance (b. abt 1771)who married Azubah Garrison. That database by the way doesn't have the links all the way down to Paul Bowen Vance, so it needs to be updated. But the marriage records from IN seem to fill in the gap so it looks pretty reliable.

      Most of the above I found by searching records on Ancestry.com. Also at the links above for William and his father James are some references to Ancestry.com family trees and some records on Ancestry. So there is a fair amount on Ancestry about this line if you search there. However I would take the public family tree information with a grain of salt because people aren't always particular about where they get their information and some of it isn't reliable. The digitized records are more reliable but not always perfect (and often have misspellings etc).

      Hope that helps...

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  40. Looking for William Jacob Vance b abt 1779 in TN. He appears in Lawrence AR census in 1850 and 1860 with wife Sarah. Children William Jr, Davidson, Clarinda(my line),Samuel, George, Anderson, Gainsboro, Martin, and Mary A.
    Any help appreciated.

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    1. Linda, you can find William Jacob Vance here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I22889&tree=2 although he is listed there as William L. Vance but I have seen him listed as William Jacob before. I think there was some confusion over one or more of the records. Anyway he was married to Sarah Hudson.

      His father appears to be a Jacob Vance (possibly not born in Ireland, if you look HIS father was John Vance who married Mary Kennedy and lived/died in VA).

      So far that's all I can find; will check a couple other sources but by the early 1700s the records become hard to find!

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  41. its ironic because my full name happens to be Vance Lamb

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  42. I'm a Vance! My knowledge on my family line goes only as far back as my grand parents, Melvin Doyle Vance who married Margie Zimmermann and they were from Texas. I've recently moved to Texas and have become very interested in learning as much as I can about my family history. Any help would be grand!

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    1. Hi Sierra! Based on others' research it appears Melvin was the son of George Washington Vance and Dosia Ann Franklin; you can find several generations of Vances by following the links back starting here: http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/a/n/Amelia-mimi-n-V-Hanna/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0010.html. Another generation or two back comes from this database of Vances: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I11752&tree=2 (starting with Hugh Lavean Vance).

      I haven't checked out Ancestry yet but there might be other researchers to connect with there also. I would encourage you to double-check with your own research of course - knowing where the census records or birth/marriage/death records etc are that confirm all this and verifying it with your own eyes always helps to avoid basing your tree off of someone else's possible misreading or misinterpretation!

      It looks like we don't know yet where this Vance line goes back to (i.e. Ireland versus Germany or perhaps elsewhere). That's where additional research or DNA testing (if you have male Vance descendants in the family) would help!

      If I find anything more I'll post it here - and best of luck in your efforts!

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  43. I am a Vance from far western Kentucky my great grandfather was Jim Vance my grandfather was Grover Vance 1910 2000 and my dad was Charles Keith Vance 1944 2016 I would love to know about my family history

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    1. First, my condolences on your loss since I see your father passed away just recently.

      In looking through census records and on Ancestry.com, it looks like your grandfather Grover was the son of James Madison Vance Jr. (1893-1987) and Mae Ella (Ella) Heflin (1894-1962). James Madison Vance Jr. was the son of James Madison Vance Sr. (1848-1934) and I don't have his wife's name yet. James Sr. was the son of John Vance (1831-1858) and Mollie Smith (1835-1910), and they were from Calloway KY. John was the son of Andrew Vance (1805-1857) and Parmelia Cunningham (1808-1847) from Tennessee. And Andrew was the son of David Vance (1771-1857) and Margaret Rhue Taylor (1780-?).

      This line of Vances was obviously in the US for a very long time but as far as I can tell we don't know where they came from originally. Just from the English first names it's likely to have been from Ireland though (as opposed to Germany).

      And if they WERE from Ireland those Vance lines have been fairly well mapped with DNA research. If you have any male Vance descendants from Grover or Charles Keith still in the family you could probably find out through a DNA test where you connect in Ireland (generally if not exactly).

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  44. Im from Texas and we are Irish.. Oldest relative is Roscoe Cleveland Vance my grandfather born the 1890's or early 1900's.. It'd be cool if anybody knew of him..

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    1. Hi Quinten! It looks like there has been some research done on your Vance line; you can see your grandfather here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I24147&tree=2 with another six generations of Vances back from him.

      There isn't any information in that database about where this line of Vances came from before the US, but most of that info is at least 5 years old so you might have better luck contacting the original source - it looks like there's a researcher named Charles Kyle "Kyle" Vance at kyle@vanceservices.com that might still be doing research on the same line.

      Dave

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  45. I am getting ready to go on a trip to Ireland. My relatives have done quite a bit of research and I am a descendant of Leon Sullivan Vance I believe our roots originate in Ulster but not certain.

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    1. Is your ancestor the Leon Sullivan Vance (b. 1877, married to Emma Dale Calvin) at this site: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I310&tree=2 ?

      If so, then your Vance line is descended from Matthew Vance of Pittsylvania and is part of what the Vance DNA project calls "Group 2a". Other descendant lines in this group include Abner Vance, Jim Vance of Hatfield/McCoy fame, and my own Vance line.

      We know the original group came from Ulster but we don't know where exactly; only a few lines have found their immigrant ancestor's starting point in Ireland (mine for instance came from the Inishowen Peninsula above Londonderry). Different men of these lines immigrated to the US over a period of nearly 100 years so it is likely the families had spread out even in Ireland.

      You can reach me at davevance01@gmail.com if I can help further!

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  46. Thanks! And yes that is the Leon :)

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  47. I am also a Vance. I have been fortunate to have a complete Vance family tree dating back to the birth of my many times great grandfather John Vance born in Londonderry, Northern Ireland in 1725. He married a Mary Kelly and left Ireland for Canada in 1761 landing in Halifax and then settling in Colchester County N.S. I am fortunate to have
    the complete family tree from that date forward.

    I have a very interesting family including another John Vance. This John Vance (the brother of my great- great- great grandfather) left Nova Scotia in 1843 and arrived in Boston, Mass. on Oct 9.1843. From there he ventured west to San Francisco then north to Eureka, California where he began to build the Vance Lumber Co. The Vance Lumber Co. is an interesting story as the whole family tree is. My grandmother's father (Lorenzo Vance) was a Master Mariner sailing a three masted schooner out of Truro N.S. to India with family every year bringing spices etc back to Boston before returning home to Truro N.S. Vance is an interesting family tree...full of pioneers and adventurers.

    Vance Macdonald

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  48. I am also a Vance. I have been fortunate to have a complete Vance family tree dating back to the birth of my many times great grandfather John Vance born in Londonderry, Northern Ireland in 1725. He married a Mary Kelly and left Ireland for Canada in 1761 landing in Halifax and then settling in Colchester County N.S. I am fortunate to have
    the complete family tree from that date forward.

    I have a very interesting family including another John Vance. This John Vance (the brother of my great- great- great grandfather) left Nova Scotia in 1843 and arrived in Boston, Mass. on Oct 9.1843. From there he ventured west to San Francisco then north to Eureka, California where he began to build the Vance Lumber Co. The Vance Lumber Co. is an interesting story as the whole family tree is. My grandmother's father (Lorenzo Vance) was a Master Mariner sailing a three masted schooner out of Truro N.S. to India with family every year bringing spices etc back to Boston before returning home to Truro N.S. Vance is an interesting family tree...full of pioneers and adventurers.

    Vance Macdonald

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  49. My name is Raylene Vance. My dad is Randall Vance. His dad is Ralph Vance. I don't know much about my family line. I just know there is an air force base in Oklahoma named after my great grandpa or something

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    1. Hi Raylene and welcome to the site. Vance Air Force Base in Oklahoma is named after Leon Robert "Bob" Vance; he was only married a short time before he died in WWII and had one daughter to my knowledge. But he could certainly still be a great-granduncle of yours or have had a son that isn't in the Vance information so certainly don't take this that he wasn't related to you! FYI there is more information on Leon Vance available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Vance

      I assume your father or grandfather are still alive, but if you still have a male Vance relative they could take a DNA test which would help find out more about how you connect to the known Vance lines. That's not a cheap option; the best "middle-cost" test that would help is $359, the cheapest is $99, and the most expensive are over $600; but if anything in those ranges is an option for you I can give you more info.

      Otherwise if you send me any details you know about your Vance line - birth/death dates of your grandfather and where he was born or lived; any details your family still remembers about where he came from, etc. I can look further into whether the Vance archives have anything about your line. You can reach me directly at davevance01@gmail.com.

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  50. I am of the Vance bloodline too, not exactly sure of what branch but my great grandmother (father's mother's mom) is Flora Lorine Vance Johnson (b.1911 d.2003) who married Emmitt Johnson (b.1909 d.1978). She is the daughter of Lula May McVay Vance (b.1881 d.1938) who was married to Wiley Alvado Vance (b.1881 d.1951). Wiley Alvado Vance's grandfather is Hugh Vance (b.1800 d.1870). I've been researching back further but I'm not sure if it is completely accurate or not. I would love to know more about my lineage and trace it as far back as I possibly can.

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    1. Hi Crystal and welcome. We don't know for sure who Hugh's parents were, but we DO know from DNA testing his other descendants that he was in what's called Vance DNA Group 1b.

      Group 1 in general all descended from the same orign as the Vans of Barnbarroch in Scotland - the current Laird of Barnbarroch is part of Vance Group 1a. It seems several branches split off and went to Ireland. Group 1b split from 1a probably somewhere between 1300-1500 AD, but the exact history is still a mystery. And of course it's not known whether the same DNA line extended back before the Vans of Barnbarroch in the Vaux of Dirleton etc.

      You can find some information about Wiley A. Vance and his ancestry here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I17749&tree=2

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  51. Hello, I am of the Vance bloodline too. I'm just getting started on my research. The last person I came across was John Vance 1795-1873 married to Elizabeth Davis. We are from the Yancey, Mitchell, and Avery Co, NC area. Glad to come across this website. Thank you.

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    1. Hi Brandy! I believe this would be your John Vance and Elizabeth Davis: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I217&tree=2 ?

      If so, you can follow the Vance line back in that database to Matthew Vance of Pittsylvania, which puts your Vance line in what's called Group 2a of the DNA study. I'm in that group too although our common Vance ancestor was back in Ireland several generations before our ancestors immigrated separately to the US.

      We don't know a whole lot about the origins of Group 2 in general except that about 5-6 separate branches came from northern Ireland to the US, and it was pretty clearly prolific in Ireland in the late 1700s-early 1800s and from the different DNA lines it was probably in Ireland for at least some 300 years before then. But we haven't found any current lines of Group 2 still living in Ireland, or any other lines that would tell us whether it originated in Scotland or elsewhere.

      FYI this group of Vances includes the Jim Vance of Hatfield/McCoy feud fame, so you are (very distantly!) related to him as well!

      Dave

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  52. My name is Andrew Blair Vance. I'm 28 years old and I don't know really anything about my ancestry except my Dad told me that their were 3 vance brothers in the US and when the states separated from England 2 brothers came to Canada and one stayed in the US and I'm a descendent of one who came to Canada. If anyone can relate to this please let me know!

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    1. Hi Andrew and welcome. Do you have ANY further information, such as where in Canada they came to or where in the US they lived, or any names or dates? There were several cases of Vances coming from the US to Canada around that time period (or sometimes brothers emigrating from Ireland separately to the US and Canada) and without more details it's hard to pin down the likely line! You can also reach me at davevance01@gmail.com if you have anything further.

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  53. I live in Louisville, KY. My maternal Grandfather was a Vance. His name was James Edward Vance. Passed away 3/23/99. His birthday was April 19, but I need to find out what year. I have always been told His Mother was Indian. I would love to do the DNA, but it's too pricey for me.
    If most Vances came from Ireland, but some married Indian Women, I believe my Great Grandfather (can't remember his name. But He was a Police officer in Louisville and killed in the line of duty) was probably one of those who did. This is so interesting to me
    I'm also trying g to find out everything on the surname "Henderson". Can you point me in the right direction?

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    1. Hi - not sure I can help with Henderson but your great-grandfather who was a policeman in Louisville I believe was Walter Vance killed in 1927, there is some info and a picture of him here: https://www.supportingheroes.org/memorial/hero.php?hero_id=1096 and also some info here: https://www.odmp.org/officer/18964-patrolman-walter-vance.

      There is also some genealogy information on this line on FindAGrave (left apparently by one of your Henderson relatives?). Here is Walter's grave info: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93604363. There it says he was the son of Tobias J. Vance and Nannie Logdon and that Tobias was the son of William Carter Vance and Louisa Pulliam.

      If you follow William Carter Vance's Vance line back starting here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I35909&tree=2 it says this Vance line is descended from one of the German Vance lines, in this case Handel Vance who is a well-known immigrant.

      Please note those lineages have been recorded by others' research and I can't speak to their accuracy; they may have been correct or not depending on the detail of records found and whatever assumptions were used to fill in the blanks. In particular, there are no Indian women recorded but that doesn't mean some people did not have Indian heritage.

      By the way on your grandfather's FindAGrave site (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67230443) it says he was born Apr 19 1924.

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  54. hi I am a descendant of Mary Polly Vance-Stone. She was my 2nd great grandmother. She married Edward T. "Ned" Stone in 1830 adams county ohio. She died 1861 in Lewis County, Kentucky. I have no idea where she truly came from or her parents. If anyone has this person in their line and can shed some light on this I would be very grateful. Thank you Jennifer

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    1. Hi Jennifer. Mary Polly Vance Stone shows up in the 1860 US census in Lewis Co, KY and it says there that she was born in Ohio. Her death record in the Lewis Co, KY records is also on Ancestry.com (it's the entry in their book) and it also records that she was born in Ohio about 1812 (neither census nor death records are infallible when it comes to birth states but two unrelated records that agree is pretty good). Her death record also lists that her father was David Vance (no mother listed) and that he was born in Pennsylvania (that would have been someone else remembering that after Mary/Polly died so again not infallible).

      There IS a David Vance in Adams County OH that fits that description, it's David C. Vance who was born around 1792 and came to Ohio later. He was married 3 times or so and Mary/Polly would have been an early child probably born of his first wife.

      There is a description of David C. Vance in a Ohio biographical book; he was an Associate Judge and later a State representative so there ARE various descriptions around the internet if you search. He is not recorded as having a daughter Mary/Polly (unfortunately census records didn't record childrens' or wives' names until 1850) but the 1820 census does show that he had a daughter under 10 at that time who is not listed in the family trees that I pulled up on Ancestry for him so that very well could be Mary/Polly.

      That biographical book description is on this page: https://books.google.com/books?id=GQVQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=judge+david+c+vance+adams+county+ohio&source=bl&ots=7s15k5btFH&sig=Sv1rRwVtBX73whcGTCTZHdnWsjc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT1pmXg5rQAhWFr1QKHfNkBiAQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q&f=false

      Anyway that's all a little thin and it only takes you back one generation but it's a place to start!

      Dave

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  55. My name is Richard White my great grandmas was born garnet vance I don't have much information on her aside from her birthplace which was west Virginia any information would be helpful

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    1. Also she was half Indian I believe her mother was full blooded Indian and she was born in the 1920's or 1930's

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    2. Hi Richard - Do you know where your great-grandmother lived or when she died?

      There are two Garnet Vances that I know of from West Virginia - see the two links below, but we don't have much information on them (except we do know their Vance ancestors). From a quick Google search it seems that Garnet Syble Vance was born in 1919 and died on Mar 3 1951, both in Logan WV.

      The two links are:
      http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I27633&tree=2

      http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I35460&tree=2

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    3. Also she was half Indian I believe her mother was full blooded Indian and she was born in the 1920's or 1930's

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  56. HI there ... I'm looking for anybody further back than Lewis Hyrum Vance.
    I got mixed up as there were 2 lewis Vances. My name is Tanner Vance. Can you help?

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    1. Also... any ideas on what our family crest looks like?

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    2. Hi! On Ancestry.com, Lewis Hyrum Vance (1888-1970) was born in Utah and died in California - is that the one? Other researchers have shown he was the son of Joseph Stephen Vance and Lydia A. Vance, and Joseph was a descendant (Joseph son of Isaac Young Vance son of John Alma Vance son of James Vance son of Samuel and Agnes) of Samuel Vance and Agnes Penquite. Samuel and Agnes are part of what is called Vance DNA Group 2b, which has a known origin in Ireland (the northern part) back to about the 1400-1600s but unknown before then.

      A Ancestry.com membership would let you explore the many family trees online that show this Vance line. I can't speak for all their research but there are a lot of sources referenced!

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    3. Regarding family crests, there was no one single shield for the Vance name because many people with the Vance surname (and even more from the families that started the Vance name) were entitled to "display arms". If you start with our page here: http://vancehistoryonline.blogspot.com/p/whats-this-coat-of-arms-at-top.html you'll see the origin of the arms we use on this site, and the link called "What is the Vance Coat of Arms" from that site gives you a whole video and write-up about the history of arms related to the Vance surname!

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  57. My mother was a Vance from Scott County, MS. Her Vance grandparents came from Ireland through the Port of New Orleans. They settled in an area of MS that looked a lot like their original home area in County Derry, Ireland. I saw it for myself when I visited Ireland. Very similar to their first home in MS. Elijah Austin Vance was my great grandfather.

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    1. Hi CJ. Are those the Newton County MS Vances? There is a nice overview of them here: http://www.nchgs.org/html/vance_migration.html but you may already be very familiar with that.

      I believe those Vances have been identified as part of Vance Group 8, which as you may know traces most of its lines back to Coagh in Ireland. That is is the area where John Vance of Coagh lived (William Balbirnie's ancestor) and also the Vance ancestor of Andrew Jackson!

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    2. Hi CJ, my great grandfather was Elijah Austin Vance, too.

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  58. Hello My Grandfather is Albert Vance(1897-1945)Great Grandfather Daniel Vance (1867-1941) 2nd Grandfather Andrew Jackson Vance(1841-1900)I am unsure of the other ancestors further up the tree.. and help would be appreciated

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    1. Jimmy I apologize for missing your post until now. Was that the Andrew Jackson Vance who married Rebecca Hensley? If so, I believe he was a great-grandson of Abner Vance who married Susannah Howard and was hanged in Abingdon, Va.

      If that's the right Andrew Jackson Vance, there is a Facebook group for Abner's descendants that includes a lot of avid researchers. You could probably join that group and get questions answered. The group is here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/692661887461090/,

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  59. I am also a Vance my father was Thomas. Joseph Vance his parents william and mable(brogan) Vance. His siblings Bill, James Ronald ,Jean all of South Philadelphia Pa

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    1. Hi Sandra - apologies also for missing your post before now. Unfortunately parents and grandparents are tough to locate because of privacy restrictions on generations who may still be living. Do you know more about William Vance and Mable Brogan, like what years they were born and died or what state they were born in? That would help me narrow down your Vance line!

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  60. My dad is a Vance. Before he died he traced his roots back to John Vans born (1597? / died 1542? - One of these dates is obviously inaccurate) Barmbarroch, Wigtown, Scotland who married Margaret Mcdowell (born 1597) in Gartland, Ireland; married 1616 in Gartland, Ireland. Dad's research places him as the 13th generation in John Van's line.

    None of the posts I've seen here seem to tie back to my line. Wondering if my geneology ties my family to a Scottish or Irish clan and if so, which one. Do you have any info on this line of Vances.

    The first mention of the US is for Samuel Vance (1691 - 1789) death in Abingdon, Washington Co, Va. From there, the genealogy shows Wringhtstown, bucks, PA; Jackson Co, TN; before my dad's generation ended up in Colorado. Dad has no sons though he does have grandsons.

    Any information you can add would be appreciated...

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    1. Hi! You'll find the Vans of Barnbarroch listed under the #2 Vance origins (the de Vaux) above. The family still exists although the Laird of Barnbarroch no longer lives in the Wigtown area and the Barnbarroch mansion was ruined by fire in the 1940s.

      However, the Samuel Vance you mention who married Sarah Colville HAS been shown to be linked to the Barnbarroch family through DNA research. Samuel was part of the group known as Vance DNA Group 1b who are distantly related to the current Laird of Barnbarroch's line (which is Group 1a). You can find a lot of background information on Group 1b (and some information on Samuel as well) in Adam Bradford's excellent group summary available from the Vance/Vans/Wentz DNA project (linked above) or directly at http://www.vancegenealogy.com/Group%201%20Overview%20-%20Genealogy%20of%201b.pdf

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  61. Hi Dave,

    Trying to trace my connection to a Vance - from what I believe is a connection through Cantrell. Working with a Vance shown via 23 and me as well as Ancestry, his line goes back to through George W. Vance thru to James Alexander Vance 1760.... by chance does this ring any bells with you? I would love to find our connection.

    Thanks,
    Julia

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    1. Hi Julia; certainly. James Alexander Vance is part of what we know as Vance DNA Group 8. Our most recent blog post explains what we know of that line of Vances so far and their descent from an Irish line of Vances! It looks to be an old male line in the British Isles probably from before the use of surnames since there are other surnames associated with that line also. Check out our most recent post about Group 8!

      Since you've tested with 23andMe and Ancestry you're probably working from autosomal DNA which tests all your DNA lines. The Vance groups are associated with Y-DNA testing which only tests the male lines, so we can't show direct links just from the DNA tests. But if you match Vances from this Group who have had their autosomal DNA tested also that's good enough!

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    2. Hi Dave,
      Thank you so much for your kind response! I will explore this line for clues :) As you've mentioned, the DNA tests do not separate the info. Given I do not have test for my parents - this has proved more difficult given the Mr. Vance I am working with appears to match several relatives - who fall on both sides of my family. Hoping this new information will help to narrow the focus. Thank you so much!!!

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  62. Abner Vance is my 5th GGF thru his daughter Tabitha and then down the Brownings. How can I refute the people who say his father is Ephraim Vause (Vance)?

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    1. Hi Kathleen. If I remember correctly Ephraim Vance's male DNA would be in Vance Group 1b, judging by descendants of other lines of the same family who have tested. Abner is definitely Vance Group 2a also based on the testing of current descendants of his. So there is no chance that Abner and Ephraim were directly related (the two lines DO have a common ancestor but somewhere back 3500-4000 years ago, so basically not related by Ephraim and Abner's lifetimes).

      There is circumstantial genealogy evidence linking Matthew/Mathias Vance of Pittsylvanis Co who married Ann Jones in Philadelphia and Abner Vance, although noone knows for sure where Abner spent his early years. But the DNA evidence is clear based on descendants of other sons of Matthew's that he and Abner shared a very close relationship; which given the years they lived would have made Matthew most likely either Abner's father or uncle. And we don't know that Matthew had any brothers, so until more evidence shows up in records - if it ever does - Abner is considered Matthew's son; or depending how exact you want to be, a son from Matthew's immediate family.

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  63. My name is William Lamar Vance Jr., My grandfathers name was Henry Lamar Vance and his father was William Lamar Vance from Indiana. Any help would be appreciated.

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    1. Hi! If this is the Henry Lamar Vance b. about 1926 who married Dorothy Romaine Schmidt on 18 Feb 1949 in Elkhart IN, his marriage certificate lists his father as William M Vance and his mother as Elizabeth "Pauline".

      However I can't find any records for an Elizabeth Pauline in Goshen or Elkhart county, but there is a marriage for William "G" Vance and Elizabeth Holderman in 1919. I suspect they listed Henry's mother's two original middle names in Henry's marriage record instead of her maiden name. Also William's middle name is given as "M" or "G" in several records, so lots of room for interpretation here.

      However if these ARE the right families, then William Vance b. abt 1890, died 1961 in Goshen. His parents were Charles Vance and Mary Rowe; Charles's parents were John Vance 1818-1887 and Catharine Vance 1821-1887, and John's father is listed as Jacob Vance 1803-1870. Jacob and John's respective birth years look "off" as Jacob would have been only 15 or so when John was born.

      The Elkhart Historical Society appears to have some records and research on the Vances back at least to John in 1887 (his death is listed which might be a reference to a will or probate record). Most of their data is available only to members but they have a research request form - try their website at https://elkhartcogensoc.org/index.php or contact them directly. There is also some research loaded there (again available to members only) but it includes an email button to email the researcher if they are still available. That might be your best bet to get further information.

      If what I've listed above is accurate, then it would appear this line of Vances goes back to one of the Wentz/Wantz lines who emigrated to the US from Switzerland or Bavaria (Germany). As a male Vance you could show this via a Y-DNA test which would likely then match either Vance DNA Groups 5 or 7.

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  64. http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/wantz/25/

    Dave I found this online. This traces everything back to the Benton Lutheran Cemetery most of my family is buried at.

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    1. Could certainky be the right line too. We have certainly found that unrelated Vance lines lived near each other all over the middle Atlantic/eastern Midwest states in the 1800s.

      Census records are not always perfectly reliable (census takers were notoriously inaccurate even if the families themselves gave perfect data which often wasn't the case to begin with) but the censuses do provide some continuity. I would look for families that had kids of the right ages and names in the Elkhart area through the mid- to late- 1800s to sort out which families are the right ones. It's not perfectly reliable but it may help.

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  65. Well, I've just come across this site. My name is Darlena Hill Gray. My paternal grandmother was Hannah Lucinda Vance d/o Dock Houge Vance and Healen Salyer. Dock was the son of David Vance Jr./ll. and Malinda Elizabeth(Betty) Rose.They resided in the
    Russell/Dickenson/Wise county of Virginia. My problem is tracking down his parents, for certain. There is a David Vance Sr. married to Gliding Swan which in Shawnee is Sowege. At some point in time she changed her name to Mary Elizabeth.Some think her maiden surname was Carmeny I don't know. I haven't been able to prove who the parents are of these Vances. Do you know of them or does anyone?

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    1. Hi Darlena; we only know a little about this line, but David Vance who married Elizabeth Rose is listed in the general Vance database here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I203&tree=2. Research suggests that David Vance was born in Carter Co, TN, and if so he may have been the son of another David Vance there who was in turn the son of John Vance of Burke County, NC, who in turn was the son of Matthew Vance of Pittsylvania. This is supported by DNA testing on one of David Vance Jr's male descendants that suggests he is a descendant of Matthew in the Vance 2a DNA Group. But more testing would be needed to confirm that.

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  66. Hi Folks, I'm trying to trace some of my family tree and I've come to a bit of a dead end and I wondered if this was familiar to anyone? My Great (x3) Grandparents were Catherine Vance (b. around 1830) and James Henderson (b. around 1828) both in Ireland. I have them both on the census of 1901 but can find nothing else. Help please!

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    1. Hi - Is this the Henderson family that shows in Ballyconnell in Cavan in the 1901 Ireland census? It looks like Catherine was born in Queen's County (now Laois), but there isn't any sign of her there in earlier census records. I'm also not seeing these Vances recorded in prior Vance research in VFA records, but I'll keep looking. Maybe in the meantime anyone else with information can post here!

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  67. I'm also related to the Hatfields. Nancy A. Vance married Ephraim A. Hatfield. The parents of William Anderson "Devil Anse"Hatfield. Nancy A. Vance patents are Abner Vance and Susanna Howard. Abner Vance parents are Ephraim Vance and Theodosia Heeling. Ephraim Vance parents are Andrew Vance and Jane Hague/Hoge. I'm also related to the famous McCoys on my Mom's side.

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  68. I'm a Vance in Nl Canada .. my father was born in sayre Alabama
    Joseph Vance
    Just happy to be here
    Hoping Dave can help me find family

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  69. Hi,

    My name is Dwaine Vance from county Fermanagh in Ireland. My father was born in County Tyrone and I believe his fathers relatives were from the Lisburn area, of which they were derived from the French Huguenots.

    Dwaine

    Kind regards,
    Dwaine

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    1. Hi Dwaine; welcome and thanks for posting. I know the name "Vaux" came over with several Huguenot migrations out of France to other countries; it's the first case I've heard of that it came to Ireland and turned into Vance (at least I'm assuming that's the derivation). But it's certainly very possible since it happened from "Vaux" among the Normans from Scotland to Ireland! Thanks for passing that news along.

      If you know your father's ancestry, send me a note at davevance01@gmail.com. There were a lot of Vances in the Coagh/Benburb/Magerafelt areas west of Lough Neagh and if that's at all the same lines of Vances it would be great to know.

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  70. I'm a Vance as well, but my family is Filipino and French.

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    1. Welcome! That's an interesting origin. Do you know how your ancestors got their Vance surname?

      There was a Vance male who moved to the Philippines in the 1900s I believe but I don't recall much about him; I do think we have some information on file though if you don't know about your origins. That's only one possibility of course!

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  71. Dave, my Vance ancestor married my ggggrandfather in Newton County, Mississippi in 1857. They were from Londonderry area and were Presbyterians. They lived in a settlement in that County called New Ireland and formed a church called Erin Presbyterian.

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  72. I’ve read that these Vances came into the Port of New Orleans before settling in Mississippi

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    1. Hi Marc and welcome to the site. If you’re descended from those Vances then they’re probably the same ones described on this website: http://www.nchgs.org/html/vance_migration.html.

      If they came over from the Londonderry area in Ireland then they’re probably from what we now call Vance DNA Groups 2 or 3; both lived in or very close to the Londonderry area. My own ancestors were Vance Group 2 and lived just above Londonderry before emigrating to the US around 1800.

      There are many US descendants today of the Mississippi Vances; if you don’t know other researchers on these lines let me know and I can probably connect you with some!

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  73. Hello my name is Eddie Vance from Tn,Ky,Va tristate area. My Grandfather was Ed Vance born in Gatlinburg Tn. around 1930. He had brothers named Charlie, Willie, and Tom. I think his fathers name was John Vance but not certain. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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    1. Hi Eddie - I'm still looking for your line; haven't found anything yet but there is a Ed Vance b. 1933 in the 1940 federal census living in Wilson Co, TN with parents Jim Vance and Edna May Vance, and siblings Jim, Joe, Alice and Richard. His brothers' names don't fit but could that possibly be him?

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    2. There is also an Ed Vance born 12 Feb 1931 in Sevier Co, TN, and died 27 April 1990 in Pineville KY. If that's him, his parents were John Walter Vance and Judy Elizabeth Turner.

      If that's your line, then this looks like a descendant line of what we call Vance Group 2, which we know came from Ireland with a couple of different immigrants in different decades. Again for you a DNA test would be able to confirm that.

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    3. Hello Dave,

      I just happened across this site while doing searching into Vance history. The Ed(son of Jim and Edna) that you mention in your first reply is actually my uncle. As far as I know Jim's father was "Edward Lee Vance" but when I try to find info on him I get mixed results - like Jim is not mentioned as his son, for instance.

      If you have any info on the "Jim Vance" line or what "group" he is in I would appreciate it. I am new to this and don't really know the best place to start.

      Thanks!

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    4. Hi Brian. In the 1940 census, Jim (father of Ed) is reported as born about 1907 in TN. There is a record in the 1910 census in Lebanon, Wilson, TN for a son Jim about 2 years old, the son of "Ed L Vance" and Ella Vance, both born in Tennessee and Ed L Vance was born about 1860.

      That means he's probably this Edward Lee Vance: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I98&tree=2 which also fits because both this family group sheet and the 1910 census record include their other children Zeb and Alice Vance.

      The link I just provided is from Jamie Vans's Vance database; while Jamie doesn't personally verify the data provided to him he does show his sources. But that takes you back to Samuel Vance and Sarah Colville who are a known Vance ancestor group. Samuel's line is a known offshoot of the Vans of Barnbarroch family (described in the DNA section as Vance Group 1b) that broke off the main Vans line earlier probably in the 1300s.

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    5. Hi Dave. Thanks so much for the quick reply. This does help confirm what I was thinking. My dad(Jim's son) is on a cruise right now but I will confirm what he remembers once he gets back.

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  74. Hi, my name is Mike Giesbrecht. My great grandmother was Estella Vance, born on November 5, 1895 in Manitoulin Island, Ontario, Canada. Her father was John Vance, born on January 20, 1861 in Kinloss, Ontario. He married Jessie Helen Marie Estella Browne, born on November 9, 1862 in Holly, Michigan. Beyond that, I have no information.

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    1. Mike welcome. We have some information on your Vance line - here is John Vance and Jessie Helen Marie Estella Browne here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I14628&tree=2

      and you can follow that Vance line back at least a few more generations in that file.

      The sources for that information are listed and sometimes of course researchers do make mistakes, so treat it as likely for now but with genealogy research I always encourage people to double-check others' work!

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  75. I'm a Vance as well. My family entered the country in Boston from Ireland around the turn of the last century. My grandfather (George Calvin), and great grandfather (George) were both railroad men.

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    1. Michael welcome as well. Your grandfather is listed here: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I28053&tree=2

      and it doesn't look like we have a LOT of info on your Vance line but it seems to go back to Ireland at least for sure!

      In your case you might consider a Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA; it would help us find which (if any) Vance group you connect with back in Ireland.

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  76. My name is Rex Vance. I am from Southern Indiana and my family is from central Kentucky (Utica area. My grandfather was Homer Rex Vance. I really don't know much more than that. I'm so glad to find this blog. If anyone has more information please contact me at rex501@gmail.com

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  77. It is so interesting to read all of these posts and to think that many of you might be family. I am a Vance on my mother's side. From what I can find my grandmother was Betty J Vance, her father Joseph D. Vance, his father Washington Anderson Vance, his father Richard David Vance, and his father Rev. Abner Vance, Sr. Hello everyone from OHIO.

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  78. Hi. My grandmother Gertrude Vance was the daughter of Charles W. Vance B. 1868 in Mt. Orab, OH. His father Lewis Armstrong Vance B. 1815 Brown Cty, OH. Lewis's father was John Vance B. 1773 in Winchester, Frederick, VA. Who was in my DNA circle as my 3rd ggfather. Herein lies the problem. I cannot verify that John's father was Patrick Vance B. 1747 in Frederick Cty, VA. married to Elizabeth McCray. There seems to be some murkiness surrounding Patrick. Could you pls clarify who John's father is? I believe I am in the 1b group. Thank you so much

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    1. Hi. My grandmother Gertrude Vance was the daughter of Charles W. Vance B. 1868 in Mt. Orab, OH. His father Lewis Armstrong Vance B. 1815 Brown Cty, OH. Lewis's father was John Vance B. 1773 in Winchester, Frederick, VA. Who was in my DNA circle as my 3rd ggfather. Herein lies the problem. I cannot verify that John's father was Patrick Vance B. 1747 in Frederick Cty, VA. married to Elizabeth McCray. There seems to be some murkiness surrounding Patrick. Could you pls clarify who John's father is? I believe I am in the 1b group. Thank you so much

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    2. Hi Nancy - John's father does indeed appear to be that Patrick Vance. For the genealogy research I would suggest you join the Vance Family Association and look through their newsletters; there is quite a bit of data there on Lewis, John, and Patrick. You can see the index of articles in the "Master Surname Index" available here: http://vancefamilyassociation.org/newsletter/

      As far as DNA, the descendants of Patrick appear to be in Group 4 of the Vance DNA Project. You can read more about that on our DNA Summary of Group 4 that is indexed from the DNA Resources here on the blog at this page:
      http://vancehistoryonline.blogspot.com/p/dna-project-group-resources.html.

      If you look in that report, you'll see that a male descendant of John Vance b. 1773 has tested positive for Group 4, meaning he's confirmed of the same family as Patrick Vance who married Elizabeth McCray.

      It doesn't look like we know Patrick's parentage yet or where this line of Vances emigrated from. But the articles in the VFA newsletters might tell you more.

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    3. Hi Dave. Thanks for your reply. So glad that this can be confirmed thus far. Now I must locate Patrick's parents. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. I have been on Wiki Pedia and many sites re the Vance Family history. Very confusing as they all named their children the same names. I will join the Vance Family Association as you suggested. Maybe I can find something there.

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  80. Hi Dave. After more research, I feel Patrick's father was Samuel Hoge Vance who was married to Sarah Colville. Samuel's father was Andrew Williamson Vance (1666) married to Jane Hoge. They also had a son named Ephriam who is the father of Abner Vance. So, this looks like I get a "double whammy" as my mother's Aunt's husband's mother was Lydia Hatfield, sister of Anse "Devil" Hatfield.

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    1. Hi Nancy - I'm having trouble seeing my own posts so if this one gets through and the earlier ones don't; just hang in while I look at why there is a delay.

      But to your comment here - these links aren't likely/possible through DNA testing. I don't think it's been conclusively shown who Patrick's father was, but Patrick's descendants are Vance Group 4 while Samuel's descendants are Vance Group 1b. So IF Patrick grew up in Samuel's home they weren't biologically father and son. But it's more likely I think that Patrick's father was someone else.

      There was once a possible link from Abner to Ephraim but that's been proven false through DNA research as well. Abner's father was almost definitely Matthew Vance of Pittsylvania - we have that both from DNA research and from genealogy research (although the genealogy is circumstantial, when combined with DNA saying they were closely related it's pretty conclusive).

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  81. Hi! My great grandfather was George Alley Vance. His father was granddaddy Joe or Joseph D Vance. I have had difficulty in linking him directly to his father. I originally had him with father being William Anderson but after viewing his death certificate it states that the parents of Joseph D Vance are John Vance and Rebecca Bostic Vance. Any clarification would help with this as John Vance is also a mystery. He may or may not be Caperton Vance who would have died prior to Joseph D Vance but is linked to rebecca as her spouse.

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    1. Hi Kerry - sorry for the delay in responding. You do have a mystery on your hands!

      Caperton Vance died at the battle of Cedar Creek on Oct 19 1864, and Joseph David Vance was born on 10 Sep 1866 (from gravestone and death records), so you're right it's not really possible that Caperton was Joe's father even allowing for a wrong record or two.

      In the 1880 census, Joe was living with his grandparents David Bostic and Letty Bostic who were Rebecca Bostic Vance's parents. Rebecca was living separately as a widow. Although David and Letty had other daughters, it does seem likely that Rebecca was his mother.

      Here is my speculation. Rebecca was 9 years younger than Caperton (marriage and birth/death records for both). In the 1850 census, Caperton is still living with his parents William and Jane Vance and they also are listed as having a son John Vance who was 11 years (possibly 10 years) younger than Caperton. So John and Rebecca were relatively close in age. A lot of things are possible, but one theory is that after Caperton's death, Rebecca and John had a son together but for some reason did not marry. Perhaps the families intervened, but that is all sheer speculation.

      Certainly Rebecca never married again until she passed away in the 1930s. In the various census records up until her death she is living with several of her children and grandchildren. In the 1900 census she says she had 6 children, of which 5 survived - while the census takers didn't always record numbers perfectly, only 3 of Rebecca's children are recorded in Ancestry trees that I can see; and she was only 26 when Caperton died, so it's very possible that she had another child.

      The other issue is that there are a few John Vances in the Monroe Co WV area that could fit the bill for Caperton's brother, so it's hard to be sure where John ended up. Or he might have died also and simply not been well-recorded. But in any case I think it's very likely that he was another of William and Jane's sons.

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  82. Edit* Caperton Vance died more than 9 months before Joseph D Vance was born which seems unlikely he is the father.

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  83. I also emailed about this. But my grandfather was Robert Vance he couldn't remember if it was Dutch or scottish. I have a family tree that dates back all the way to Melissa didema Cantrell (b Jan 17 1876 d April 17 1950) and John Edgar Vance (b June 17 1867 d March 2 1942). They had 5 children Freddie Elberta Vance
    everett delacy Vance
    Maria Theresa
    Edgar Festus and
    An infant girl who passed
    Edgar Festus is my great grandfather.

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  84. I am also a Vance. My father was Donald Vance born in ElMonte California. His fathers name was Joseph Eugene. I can not find out any information on Joseph Eugene. My father passed a few years ago but I did not talk to him for ten years prior to that. I was just wondering if anybody has information on Joseph Eugene that had a son named Donald Vance.

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    1. My father Donald Vance was born May 25, 1945.

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    2. Hi Shannon. Could Joseph Eugene Vance have been born in 1925 and died in 1991? There are a couple of trees for him on Ancestry.com researched by other people; one is here: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/5334131/person/24894343008/facts?_phsrc=OZw4&_phstart=successSource

      If you can’t see that tree, it says that Joseph Eugene’s father was Doss Dalton Vance. At that point we can switch over to this tree: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I38906&tree=2. If that’s accurate, then your Vance line is an offshoot of the Vans of Barnbarroch line and what we know as Vance Group 1a in the Vance DNA Project.

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  85. Very interesting read, Thanks
    My Mother is a Vance from Cincinnati and My Father is a Hatfield from the same area. Interesting fact is Devil Anse Hatfield's mother was a Vance and Father is a Hatfield.
    Anyway, i have read that the Vance name is mostly Irish and i have read it is English. The issue i am having is not being able to claim a heritage. I would like to say I am "X" or I am "Y" but unable to track it down. I could do the Ancestry DNA thing, do you think it is worth its cost?

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    1. Mother -> Mary Ellen Vance 1939
      Father -> William Lee Hatfield 1938

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  86. David Vance II, that married Elizabeth Rose, is my GGG Granddad and I have my line on my set of Vance's. I am now in process of putting all of it together.

    There is a book out on the Vance's from NC. It is called "The Vance Family Of Piedmont North Carolina" and it goes back to the 1700's. It is not my line but it is interesting to have. Some of you may could use this book in your genealogy. I found mine on Ebay.

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  87. Looking for any leads around Vance’s in the CalfPasture area of Colonial Virginia, or Lancaster/Chester Colonial PA. Specifically any Vance’s associated or intermarried with Colonial Virginia Campbell’s. My 5th Great Grandfather is believed to have married a Vance; however, I can find no record of her last name or family of origin. She could have been born to a Vance family in Colonial America or in Ireland and subsequently migrated to Augusta Virginia and was most likely born between 1750 and 1760. Would love any insight from this Vance group as we have always maintained that our 5th Great Granmother was a Vancé.

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    1. We have a number of female Vances who married Campbell men but I don't see one specifically in VA. If you check this search list you might find Campbell's you recognize: http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/search.php?mybool=AND&nr=50&tree=-x--all--x-&mylastname=campbell&lnqualify=contains&mysplname=vance&spqualify=contains&mygender=M&gequalify=equals

      We have a number of Vance men also who married Campbell women but it doesn't sound like that's the situation you're looking for.

      Most of the connections between Campbells and Vances that we're aware of though seem to be in Tennessee and Ohio.

      We also know there was a Thomas Vance who sold adjoining land to a John Campbell in 1769 along the banks of the James, and those families appeared close and may have intermarried.

      Don't know if any of those are of help in your search!

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  88. Here is my line....which shows an Indian connection. Interesting that family lore has it the Mallernees are related to Hatfields. Supposably a female Hatfield married a circuit rider passing thru. I thought maybe thru the Vance line but no luck finding the connection. I had DNA testing done and lots of cousins in the WV area.
    1. Ellen is the daughter of Victor Mallernee
    2. Victor is the son of Dennis Claire (Mallernee
    3. Dennis is the son of Oliver Franklin Mallernee
    4. Oliver is the son of Mary Agnes (Lewis) Mallernee
    5. Mary is the daughter of Mary Agnes (Vance) Lewis
    6. Mary is the daughter of John William Vance
    This makes John the ***fourth great grandfather of Ellen.

    John William Vance
    12 August 1790
    Delaware, United States
    Death
    2 February 1870
    Jefferson Township, Guernsey, Ohio, United States
    Parents
    William Robert Vance
    ***Sarah Rising Sun****
    Genealogy for Sarah "Techacha" Morning Star Rising Sun, Shawnee
    Spouse
    Mary Elizabeth Crites

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  89. Hi, any information about Vances in South Africa?

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    1. Excellent question. I’m not aware of Vances who emigrated to South Africa, but that doesn’t mean there weren’t any!

      Do you (or anyone?) know of original Vance immigrants to South Africa? What were their names and what years did they live?

      Alternatively, contact the Vance Family Association (www.vancefamilyassociation.org) and see if they have any details on South African Vances!

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  90. Hi im a vance looking for info on my grandpa. Halfred vance born 1899 wickliffe ballard Kentucky and george vance born 1888 im trying to find out who there parents are my grandpa never knew tgem only his brother George. I have info on halfred and George from 1920 till death and a few different leads on George parents recent one jane kewn vance from england married Joseph vance 4 kids one was George 1888 . They also known a herbert vance of wickliffe ballard Kentucky . Plus lived in mound city Pulaski Illinois in the 1920s. And halfred served in the military 1920 1923 and worked at Jefferson barracks from 1926 to 30s as sivel service quartmaster was one. Any help in info would greatly be appreciated . Thank you for this web sight Rpv7820@gmail.com

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  91. Glad to have found this site. My maternal Great Grandfather is William Henry Vance, born in Ireland (cannot find out anything so far about the date or place of his birth), died 2/8/1883 in Philadelphia, PA (cannot find any information about when he came to the US). His wife was Caroline Vance, born 1828 in Rhode Island and died in 1905 in Philadelphia. Her mother may have been Caroline Peak from Boston, Mass (not finding any information beyond that). Their daughter, Catherine Vance Harrison, is my maternal Grandmother. Any leads that you might have will be very welcome. Thank-you

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    1. Hi Arlene! I can't find a whole lot about this William Henry Vance. Ancestry.com does have your grandmother Catherine Vance Harrison's death certificate where she lists her father William Henry Vance born in Ireland and her mother Caroline Peak. I also see the 1860 census for William and Caroline where he is listed as born in New Jersey (it might say "N. I" but there was no Northern Ireland in 1860) and Caroline is listed as born in Rhode Island.

      The 1900 census for Caroline Vance says they were married in 1850, so perhaps you'd have some success finding some marriage information. Since their children all appear to be born in Philadelphia it's very possible they married there. William Henry appears to have been born around 1822-1825.

      The 1870 census also says William Henry Vance was born in New Jersey and Caroline in Rhode Island, which makes both of those more likely. It also shows all their children as having been born in Pennsylvania.

      Sorry those are general leads only, not conclusive!

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  92. Hello! So happy to find this website and thanks for your generous support to Vance seekers! My father is Wes Higgins, but his maternal grandmother was Nora Vance, daughter of Robert W. Vance who was born in Illinois but moved to Montana, where he died. Robert's father was Samuel Herschel Vance and Samuel's father was Andrew Vance III. Andrew III's father and grandfather were also Andrews. Here is the hiccup: Andrew Williamson Vance, the first Andrew who came to the US from Coagh, Ireland, supposedly married Jane Hoge/Hogge, but dates don't align with Andrew II's birth. Records suggest his mother, Jane, died in 1730 or 1732, but Andrew Vance II was born in 1735. The first Andrew's father, as I have it, was John Vance, who married Mary Williamson. John's father was Lancelot, mother was Agnes Euphemia. NOTE: some records show that John, father of Andrew I, died in Virginia, some in Ireland. Anyway, hoping to clarify some of this before heading to Ireland with my parents in about three weeks. We are planning to visit the memorial at St. Luke's church! Thank you again and please let me know if any of my research might be of service to your efforts and how I can make that available to you. I did an Ancestry DNA test, which started all of this and that's where I am building my family tree. Lorie Lynn Higgins at gmail dot com.

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  93. I am stuck at Davis Vance abt. 1765 - 1835 Any help would be appreciated...Thanks **Davis Vance abt. 1765 - 1835 d: 1835 in Tuscaloosa, AL
    +Phebe Peavy 1776 – 1838 d: 1838 Tuscaloosa, AL
    They had 5 children:
    Joshua C. Vance 1793 – 1849
    Samuel ? Vance
    **Lorenzo Davis Vance 1806 – 1865 b: 1806 in GA
    Irena (Arrena) R Vance 1807 –
    Seaborn Arnold Vance 1810

    Lorenzo and Permilla Kinney
    Had 8 children:
    Davis W Vance 1827 - b: 1827 in AL
    Mary Ireney Vance 1833 - b: 1833 in AL
    Seaborn S. Vance 1836 - b: 1836 in AL
    Mary A. Vance 1837 - b: 1837 in AL
    Prudy A. Vance 1840 - b: 1840 in TX
    Joshua J Vance 1841 - b: 1841 in TX
    Amanda M Vance 1844 - b: 1844 in TX
    Lucy L D Vance 1848 - b: 1848 in TX
    **Hugh Levean Vance 1851 – 1905 b: 28 Feb 1851 in Shelby Co, TX
    d: 20 Mar 1905 in Trinity Co. TX

    Hugh and Sarah Elizabeth Larence
    Had 12 children
    Nancy Vance 1874 - 1934 b: 07 Jan 1874 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 11 Feb 1934 in OK
    Davis Joshua Vance 1876 - 1953 b: 26 Jan 1876 in Belton, Bell, TX d: Dec 1953
    George Washington Vance 1877 - 1963 b: 14 Nov 1877 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 10 Feb 1963 in Channelview, TX
    Seabern H. Vance 1880 - 1880 b: 12 May 1880 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 04 Sep 1880 in Belton, Bell, TX
    John Henry Vance 1882 - b: 29 Mar 1882 in Belton, Bell, TX
    James Robert Vance 1884 – 1963 b: 28 Apr 1884 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 26 Jul 1963 in TX
    ** Oliver Edward Vance 1886 – 1953 b: 04 Sep 1886 in Bell Co., Texas d: 24 Jul 1953 in Winnemucca, Humbolt, Nevada
    William J. Vance 1888 – 1900 b: 17 Aug 1888 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 12 Feb 1900 in Trinity Co., TX
    Annette Bell Vance 1891 - 1900 b: 04 Aug 1891 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 22 Nov 1900 in Trinity Co. TX
    Delma D. Vance 1894 – 1905 b: 15 Apr 1894 in Belton, Bell, TX d: 25 Oct 1905 in Trinity Co. TX
    Berta (Birdie) Inez Vance 1897 - b: 05 Nov 1897 in Centralia, Trinity Co., TX d: in Trinity Co. TX?
    Lavina Vance 1855 - b: 1855

    Oliver Edward Vance 1886 – 1953 b: 04 Sep 1886 in Bell Co., Texas d: 24 Jul 1953 in Winnemucca, Humbolt, Nevada
    Is my Father.
    Thank You again...Jennie Vance Barney

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  94. Hi! Glad to run upon this site! I have traced by Vance lineage back to William "Bill" Vance who lived in Van Buren County TN from about 1845 until he died in the 1870's? He married first wife, Martha (Matilda) Orear, in 1843 in Chatham, Georgia and then married again to Margaret (Peggy /Spokes / Spakes) White in Van Buren County in 1851. His children are Mary, David, Jesse, John, Mahala, and Bersheeba. I am a descendant of John Isaac Vance (Van Buren County, TN). I have been told that Margaret White was a full-blood Cherokee Indian. Any help would be appreciated :)

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