A Short History of the Vance Surname

Different origins of the Vance name

Around the world today the surname "Vance" is found mainly in English-speaking countries like Australia, the UK and Ireland, Canada, and the United States.  The global spread of the Vance surname from the 1600s through to modern times has been documented through maps in our blog in a post from October 2013.

The paper document trails of these Vance family lines suggest that their family name came from one of two main origins:

1.  The Wentz/Wantz origins

Many of these families have traced their surname origins to original immigrants in the 18th or 19th century from Germany or Switzerland whose last name was Wentz or a variant like Wantz.  In their new English-speaking home, the last name sounded like "Vance", and either through regular usage or by the pen of a government official the new spelling stuck.

Several books (see Online Books of Interest) describe the origin of the Wentz surname as a diminutive of "Wenceslaus" or the German variant "Wenzo", and track the name's association with a Saint Wendelin and of course several kings named Wenceslaus, with variants "Wenzelo" from 1198 through "Wenzel" in the 1300s.  "Wentz" and "Wenz" were later variants appearing in the 1300s and 1400s near Basel in Switzerland and several locations in Germany.  Other sources cite Slavic variants like Vaclav but agree on the same basic timeline. 

The stories say an original Wentz family came out of Bohemia (part of the current Czech republic) or Pomerania (now part of Germany and Poland on the south Baltic Sea) and migrated into Bavaria in western Germany and to the city of Basel in Switzerland some 700 years ago.  These stories have so far not been verified.  In the 1700s and 1800s, however, several German and Swiss Wentz families immigrated to the US where the name became written as Vance.   
           

2.  The de Vaux/Vans origins

The majority of the Vances today, these families are either Irish or trace their surname to immigrants from Ireland, where "Vance" has been a Protestant name in Ulster since the 1600s.  The generally accepted origin of Vance in Ireland is from Scotland where the name was Vaus or Vans.  In 1860, a Scottish genealogist named William Balbirnie published a book that tied the Irish Vances back to a Rev. John Vans/Vance who lived in Kilmacrenan in county Donegal in Ireland from about 1617 onward, and connected him to a Vans family of minor nobility in Barnbarroch, Scotland.  The Vans of Barnbarroch have ties to the Vaux family of Dirleton near Edinburgh and from there back to the medieval de Vaux family who came over to England from Normandy with William the Conqueror around 1066. 

"de Vaux" was a Norman French place-name meaning "of the valleys", and although their exact origin in Normandy is unknown, the story of the de Vaux family in England and Scotland is fairly well-documented from the 11th century onward.  Legend ties the de Vaux family to the French/Italian de Baux family who themselves claimed a family tie back to Balthazar, one of the Magi Kings, but there remains no proof of any of those connections. 

The legends and facts surrounding the Vance origins from the de Vaux are covered in the book Path of a Family, which can be found under Online Books of Interest in our Useful Information section.

Modern DNA testing has suggested that the origins of the Irish Vances is not as simple as that proposed by Balbirnie, although one group of modern Vances has confirmed ties through DNA to the Vans of Barnbarroch and so to this general ancestry.  Whether the story is completely accurate, and whether other Vance family groups who trace their lines to Ireland have the same surname ancestry (as opposed to genetic ancestry) is unknown at this time.

3.  Other possible origins

Modern DNA testing has identified at least 9 different genetic origins (within the timeframe that surnames have been in common use) for the Vance families who have been tested so far.  While certainly some of those groups may still have derived their last names from the same origin, it is also very possible that some origins of the Vance name remain unknown. 

There is a town in Belgium named Vance and a local family of minor nobility named "de Vance" who lived there at least from the 11th through the 17th century.  However, the family name seems to have died out after that and no modern Vances trace their ancestry to this area.

Other towns in France have similar names, like VancΓ© in Sarthe and Vence on the Mediterranean, but these have different origins and no families with those names or anything similar to "Vance" are known to have come from those areas.

The Irish author John O'Hart proposed that the "Vance" name was derived from the Gaelic O'Uain, meaning lamb, but no evidence for this origin has been found.

Edward MacLysaght's book The Surnames of Ireland, a major reference work on Irish surnames, agrees that "Vance" first appeared in Ireland in the 17th century but says it came from Old English fenn meaning dweller by a fen (marsh) - an interesting idea, but then why did "Vance" only originate in Ireland and not also in England?  Mr. MacLysaght includes William Balbirnie's book in his bibliography but it is still unknown why he proposed this completely different theory (and offered no supporting evidence).  As far as is known today there is still no evidence of this origin from Old English.

Do you have other family stories for how your Vance ancestors got their last name?  Post them here - you may add another piece to this complicated puzzle!

68 comments:

  1. Barbara granddaughter of JW VanceNovember 9, 2022 at 9:53 AM

    My Grandmother (nee Jean Wiseheart) was married to JW Vance, who was from the vicinity of Summerville, KY. She did extensive research of both her lineage and my Papaw’s, unfortunately her work seems to have vanished after the death of my brother. I’ve repeatedly asked for it from his son, to no avail. We are not close.

    My mother (Nee Linda Vance) journied with my Aunt to visit the Vance Cemetery in KY, and bought 2 plots. She said it was where many of our Vance ancestors were buried, and she told me stories about a few of them.

    Evidently my Papaw’s father was an itinerant preacher who was brutally abusive, and at age 14 JW drove his mom and sisters across the state line to Indiana, where they ended up in the Anderson, IN area. I know my Great Uncle “Chick” and Papaw’s sister Louise lived around Anderson when I was a child- we would visit during Thanksgiving.

    My mom said we were descended from N.E. Europe (Norway? Sweden? Netherlands?) through Normandy, then somehow to Scotland. Papaw would tell me stories of his family coming through the Cumberland Gap to settle in Eastern KY. I also heard there was a Cherokee wife; she supposedly married an ancestor to avoid being sent to Oklahoma, and losing their land. My daughter has done DNA analysis though, and that bloodline isn’t significant enough to show up.

    I asked my elders what “J” stands for (since I was corrected when I thought it was Jay); evidently JW is all there is. I’d like to know what Vance group we belong to. Anyone have a clue?

    All replies welcome. I’m not sure how notifications work on this site, so feel free to contact me at qu3rcusa@gmail.com

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    1. I'll send you an email also, but your Papaw's first name may really have been Jay. He was born in 1916 and in the 1920 census he is listed as "JW Vance" alongside his father Arthur Jackson Vance (1888-1971) and his mother Gladys Neal (1898-1969). He was also listed as Jay W Vance in the newspaper report of his marriage to Jeannette Wiseheart, and on his death certificate. He is listed as Jay on his tombstone as well; he and Jeanette are buried in Anderson Memorial Park
      Anderson, Madison County, Indiana.

      The only clue to a different name is on the 1930 US census where he is listed as James W Vance. While that's possible, the census takers often got children's names wrong so it's only a possibility that his first name was James. If that was the case he certainly never used it through his lifetime even up to his tombstone.

      This Vance line goes back to our DNA Group 4 in the Vance/Vans/Wentz Y-DNA project meaning that the earliest known Vance ancestor is Patrick Vance (1745-1810) and Elizabeth McCray (1747-1819) who lived in Kentucky. We do not have any significant information on Patrick's Vance origins before Kentucky but it's certainly possible they came from Scotland; however your family's story that the Vances were descended from N.E. Europe through Normandy into Scotland sounds like the "usual" stories of the origin of the Vance surname in the British Isles; the story is interesting but unproven and we know that many DNA lines (including Group 4) are not connected to the known Scottish line of Vances.

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  2. I've been working on my Vance lineage for the past 5 years and am fairly confident I've correctly traced my line back to David Vance (1783-1819) from Wigtownshire, Scotland. I haven't found a family connection to the Irish Vance's- however my ancestry DNA clearly shows a strong Irish lineage on my paternal side. Any suggestions or preferable a completed tree available

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  3. Sorry, the anonymous post above regarding David Vance was me

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  4. There were a ton of Vances in Newton County, Mississippi. They all came from Londonderry, Northern Ireland in the mid 1800s

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    1. You're right! The Vance DNA project has been able to match the Vances who came to Newton County MS with what we call Group 8 in the project. You can read about Group 8 in the current report on the project website! (Google "Vance DNA Project" and once you're at the project website, choose "About" and then look for the "Results" page; scroll down and you'll find a table with the current reports!

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    2. I’ve taken the BigY700 dna test. Can upload the results in that group?

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    3. Congrats on your Big Y700! If you're not already in the Vance DNA project and you descend in a male line from Vance ancestors (so your Y-DNA would likely be one of the Vance lines that we track), we can match you up with the Vance Y-DNA lines that we already know something about. Go to https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/vance/about and click on the "Join" button on the upper right hand side of the page within the banner graphic to join!

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  5. Hello Dave, my name is Randy Vance (Randolph), I am from Ohio originally where I can trace the Vance Line of my family back several generations via family history, ancestry and a couple other resources. I know my 3rd Great Grandfather was Lewis Vance (1816-1876). I believe from other Ancestry Trees and such that his father was Davis Vance (SR) 1786-1837, his father was Thomas Vance, 1742-1810. From what I have read, Thomas was believed to have been born in the US in Chester County, PA, the son of William Vance (1712-1750) and Elizabeth Backhouse. It shows that William was from Derrycreevy, Clonfeacle, Tyrone, Ireland. After William I have not leads. Can you confirm that linage I have is correct and do you have any information on the leg of the Vance Family. I would be more than happy to share my Ancestry DNA results with you. Thanks for your assistance!

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    1. Hi Randy and thanks for your query. The VFA does show Lewis Vance as a descendant of William Vance and Elizabeth Backhouse. They are some of the best-documented Vance immigrants into the US (partly thanks to Quaker records) and we know they came from Clonfeacle but we don't have definite generations before them.

      William Balbirnie documents a George Vance who emigrated in the 1600s to Clonfeacle (he says from Wigton in northern England (not Wigtown in southern Scotland)) and while the common location is certainly suggestive there is nothing specific to link him to William.

      We do have William's Vance descendants in the DNA project, they are our Group 6 and you can read the Current Report on them at this website https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/vance/about/results if you scroll down to the Group 6 section. His Vances so far do not have a definite origin but unusually for the Vance surname they appear to come from Wales, and their closest patrilineal relatives are from the Bassett surname. Whether William's immediate ancestors were Bassetts though and how they got from Wales to Ireland (or perhaps to northern England) is still unknown.

      Your AncestryDNA test is called an "autosomal" DNA test, it's a great test but reports completely different information from the Y-DNA tests we use in the DNA Project to trace Vance lines, so unfortunately I can't use it to match you with Group 6. If you did take a Y-DNA test we could confirm that you also fall into that group though (if you felt that was important or if you wanted to see what it showed).

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    2. Hi, Dave. Thanks for sharing all this information. I am a Vance descended from Lewis Alexander Vance. I know my brother submitted DNA, but don't know the results or more ancestry info. I was curious if you could help fill in some details. I'm not 100% certain of the details, but I believe our roots are Scottish/French -de Vaux-. I actually went to Dirleton in Scotland (the area my family told me we originated from) to the Castle where I purchased the Vance book from the gift shop. Some info conflicted with what I thought I knew. Did the de Vaux- Vance's move to Barnbarroch? Are the Vans and de Vaux's related? I also vaguely remember stories of our Scottish ancestors being Cattle rustlers and one de Vaux- being famously stabbed in Sterling Castle. I don't know what stories are true or how to dig for them. I was also told that the Vance's are responsible for the first fully red apples -vance delicious apples. I would love to learn fact from fiction and more about my ancestry. Could you help with details or point me in the right direction please?

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    3. Hi C. Vance! One of the origins of the Irish Vances is from the Scottish Vans/Vaus of either Barnbarroch or Menie; they have an origin story of descending from the Vaux of Dirleton who were Anglo-Norman Scottish barons who themselves descended from the de Vaux of England who came over with William the Conqueror. That story as well as the primary records that are available to correct it is told in the book "Path of a Family, Part 1" that is available on Amazon or for free at https://sites.google.com/site/vancepath.

      Barnbarroch is only one of the origins of the Vances; our DNA project has shown that there are many others besides the Barnbarroch (Group 1a) and Menie (Group 1b) lines. I haven't heard the story about the red apples though - that sounds fascinating!

      Dave

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    4. Thank you! Greatly appreciate the information.

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  6. Hello Dave, thank you for the quick response and the information that you provided on Group 6. I will look into the Y-DNA testing although I am 99% sure that I am of the line Vance that comes from William Vance. It's unfortunate that there is just no real conclusive informationn that shows the ancestry prior to William. I may be heading off to Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England later this year. Is there any additional places that you would suggest checking into or have they mostly been exhausted? Thanks again for all of your hard work and information on the Vance Family.

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  7. Hi I'm Vivian vance

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  8. Hello Dave...my mom was a Vance from DeSoto Mo. My grandpa was Raphel Vance from Pilot Knob Mo. And my Great Grandpa was a preacher named George Washington Clark Vance from Pilot Knob Mo....can you tell me more about this line of Vances

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    1. Hi Brian - could your great-grandpa have been George Ellis Clark Vance (1884-1967) from Pilot Knob, MO? If so, his parents were John Gibbs Vance (1847-1926) and Mary Frances Lasater (1848-1923), and this Vance line traces back at least to our Group 11 in the Vance DNA Project, which is a group of Vances of unknown origin before their earliest known ancestor Patrick Vance (abt. 1760-aft. 1811) and his wife Sarah Harrington. Patrick was from Virginia and fought in the Revolutionary War.

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  9. I recently went to Scotland and England. I found our Vance cavemen logo embroidered on chairs in a castle. I asked if King Robert the Bruce lived in the castle as I find him in my tree. Also DNA. Staff could not confirm or deny his being in this castle. It was amazing non the less. I had also met and stayed at my British cousin in her B&B in a very quaint town. She gifted me with my Grandparents British passports! Now I know what they looked like. Best trip ever!

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  10. wow! really glad i found this page. i think i am a desendant of the group 8 Vances. i am in the early stages of my ancestry/family tree research and have yet to submit dna, but i have my kit and will be sending soon. my preliminary research says Mary Jane Vance is my great great grandmother. looking forward to learning more!

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  11. Hello, I knew I would eventually belong!😝My name is Christina Vance and my father was Marvin Clarence Vance. He was born in 1944 and passed in 2017. He had 3 siblings, John, Ruby, and Yvonne. Their parents were William Henry Vance 1910-1968 and Mary Etta Vance/Reed 1920-2001. Williams parents were John W Vance and Willa Carrie Pigge, then John’s parents were George Leroy Vance and Mary J. George Leroy’s parents were Samuel P. Vance (1836-1872) Mary E. Vance. Samuel died at 38 from a rabies bite that gave him the fear of water. Next are their fathers:
    From Samuel Vance to
    William Samuel Vance (Presbetarian) to
    Captain George Campbell Vance 1785-1863
    On ancestry.com, it says his father was VA Tom Jones 1-2 slaves, which I’m assuming was just a way to differentiate him from other Tom Jones Vances. His father was Ephraim Vance and his mother was Theodosia Howlings. Both born in 1710 and passed in 1760 and 1790.
    This is where I’m stuck. His father is apparently Andrew Vance, but it doesn’t make sense when you look at his profile and says his son was negative 36.
    Any help from here??? Please?
    It does go on to say his father was John Vance (Vans) from Wigstonshire Scotland. I don’t feel comfortable going further when I’m not sure.
    Thank you!!!

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    1. Hi! I'm not positive of your entire lineage but thank you for sharing. The VFA doesn't have a John W. Vance whose father is George Leroy Vance; the George Leroy Vance we have had a son John Leroy Vance but he didn't marry a Willa Carrie Pigge. In any case the line of George Campbell Vance is part of our Group 1b Vances in the DNA project who appear to connect to the Vaus of Menie (a line connected to the Vans of Barnbarroch i.e. John Vans of Wigtonshire but farther back before about 1400AD.

      But in any case if you're a Vance you belong here so welcome!

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  12. Hello David, I was wondering if you could help me with more information on my husband's Vance line. This line is African American or black. My husband is Anthony Hebert Vance, his father was Albert Tennyson Vance 1904-1958 born in Fodice Houston County Texas, his father was Wood Vance born in 6 Oct 1874 Texas, his father was RandolphVance born in 1847 South Carolina or Trinity County Texas, died after 1900 in Texas. I'm not able to go any further than that. Thanks Jill

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    1. My apologies we (the Vance Family Association) haven’t located any additional information on who Randolph’s parents were. I may not have reviewed all the sources but it seems Randolph was listed as born in Texas on some of his children’s death certificates, while the 1870 and 1880 census records say he was born in South Carolina. Granted that census records may also be wrong, but I think of all that I would trust them more as they would have been information directly given by him. And it is certainly not a stretch that he might have set out from South Carolina to Texas right after Emancipation and the end of the Civil War.

      The VFA (Vance Family Association) has done some work with census records and slave schedules that shows that immediately after the Civil War, African-Americans with the Vance surname were concentrated in areas where enslavers with the Vance surname lived before the Civil War. Though that doesn’t prove any specific African-American Vance took their surname from their enslaver, it’s at least suggestive that that was the case for many of them. However as I’m sure you know already, finding records about an enslaved teen or young man named Randolph in South Carolina before the end of the Civil War is not a simple task.

      If I can help in any way please feel free to contact me further, but for now at least I don’t have more ideas than that!

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  13. Hello David, my name is Dianne. I just fell upon this website. I have just recently been researching family lines of my Vance family. My Great Grandmother was Olive Jane (Vance) Lee, born 03/09/1877, married to Charles David Lee , born in 1868. Olive Jane Vance’s parents were James William Vance & Louisa E. Deeds. I was looking at WikiTree and Olive’s lineage is traceable back to Robert Vaux, about 1045 - 1095, father unknown. I’m so surprised to fine our roots back that far. I’m interested in anything you can tell me about our family line. Thank you.

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    1. Hi Dianne! Olive Jane Vance traces back to Samuel Vance (1716-1778) who married Sarah Colville (1715-1792). Samuel’s parents are believed to be Andrew Vance (1660-1743) who married Elizabeth Colville (1660-1730). That is where the most reliable genealogy ends, but Andrew is most likely a grandson of the Rev. John Vans/Vance of Kilmacrenan (1590?-1662). William Balbirnie’s book from 1860 (described on this webpage in the text) tied the Rev. John Vans to the Vans of Barnbarroch and from there to Robert de Vaux from the 11th century, but those links are very tenuous. In fact current evidence suggests the Rev. John Vans was actually descended from the Vaus of Menie, a cousin line to the Vans of Barnbarroch. Both the Menie and Barnbarroch lines have an oral history of descending from the de Vaux who originally came around the time of William the Conqueror, but that part is not proven. If you look under the “Online Books of Interest” page on this blog you’ll find a book called “Path of a Family, Part 1” that goes into the facts and stories around the de Vaux and the Vances possible descent from them.

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    2. Thank you! This is all so interesting.This is the first time I have looked into the Vance family history. How did you become so informed? This covers so many centuries. I will continue by reading William Balvirnie’s book. Thank you again.

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    3. Hi my name is Donna Marie Trenery. My mother was Marie Vance. Shis a relative of mine.e was born October 20th 1934, in Harts, West Virginia. My Mom passed in February 1999, in New Port Richey Florida. My Grandparents were Lewis Vance Sr n Christina Frye both from Logan County West Virginia. I don't know their DOB.I would like to know if someone knows any further information about them, n to go back even to the 1600-1700's. Any information on my family tree that goes back many hundreds of years would be Greatly Appreciated. I would like to know if William Anderson (Devil Anse) Hatfield was a Family Member of mine. I'd also like to know if, Senator JD Vance (presumptive VP of the USA) : is a relative of mine. Thanks Soo Much Donna Marie

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    4. Hi Donna Marie! Both Devil Anse Hatfield and JD Vance are related to you, but not that closely. Your Lewis Vance’s parents were Francis Marion Vance Sr (1842-1900) and Malinda Jane Williamson (1844-1921). Francis’s parents were Richard Austin Vance (1819-1880) and Mathilda Browning (1822-1880). Richard Austin Vance’s parents were Richard Vance (1792-1865) and Mary Ann Sims (1792-1860), and Richard’s parents were Abner Vance (c.1760-1819) and Susannah Howard (1767-1860). Abner (your fourth-great-grandfather) is the Abner Vance who was hanged in Abingdon VA in 1819.

      JD Vance is descended from Meekin Vance Sr, a different son of Richard Vance and Mary Ann Sims. His mother descended from Meekin and was a Vance, and JD took his surname from her family. Devil Anse Hatfield was the grandson of Elizabeth Vance, a daughter of Abner Vance’s, who had children with John Ferrell and gave them her last name. Elizabeth had a daughter named Nancy who married Ephraim Hatfield and gave birth to Devil Anse.

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    5. Devil Anse hatfield.uncle was Jim Vance
      Cyrus Vance was 5 time U.S
      Secretary of State
      There is a Vance grave yard shared with other names located in Mingo county W.V
      Mingo County is the youngest county in the state of W.V.

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    6. There is a Justice family genealogy book with partial family listing of the name Vance. The son of Cyrus Vance was the District Attorney.for New York City and currently operates a Law Institute in the city of New York

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    7. A Presbyterian Minister whose name was Hugh Vance founded 3 Presbyterian Churches in Jefferson and Berkely Counties of what was then the state of Virginia in 1734

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  14. Hello, My name is Trina Vance. My Father is James Vance born in Omaha, NE 1954. He has three brothers. Charles Vance. Dean Vance and Marvin Vance. Their father was Melvin Vance. Mother was Emma Gene Vance. Just looking for any information.

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    1. Melvin was from ames, ne and his parents were Roy vance and Ana rayevich vance.

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    2. Hi Trina! Melvin’s parents appear to be Roy Franklin Vance (1903-1984) and Anna Mary Rayevich (1904-1989). Roy’s parents were George Franklin Vance (1879-1935) and Dollie Henrietta Atenham (1887-1978) who lived in Nebraska. George was born in Boone County, Iowa to William James Henry Vance (1848-1921) and Minnie Adams (1857-1908), and William seems to have been born in New York state to James Joseph Vance (1815-1864) and Amy Mott (1810-1853). From there this line gets a little fuzzy but James is said to be the son of Moses Vance (c. 1776-1860) and Mary Wright (said to have died in 1815, but the same sources list younger children born after James so that needs to be reconciled). Moses was said to have been born in Ireland, although again I’m not sure of the sources there. The Vance Family Association doesn’t seem to have much on this line of Vances; if there were any male descendants of Melvin still alive who could test their Y-DNA (so they’d probably have a Vance last name; that’s not really a requirement but it indicates they are in a male-only line and so inherited Melvin’s Y-DNA) with Family Tree DNA we could probably tell which major group of Vances yours came from though!

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    3. I did some more digging and discovered moses vances father, David Vance (1755-1863) born In Irleand

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  15. Hello, I’m a proud Vance as well. My name is Nicole Vance my mom is Jennifer Vance who’s the daughter of Gerald Vance who’s the brother of Gary Vance

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    1. Just looking for info if you have any we are in Louisiana and Florida, my great grandfathers name was Ralph Vance, and I know somewhere in there I have a great great great grandfather named sir Lancelot Vance

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    2. Hi Nicole and welcome to the blog. We have a number of ancestors named Ralph Vance in the Vance Family Association records; can you tell me anything about the dates he lived & died, or his spouse's name?

      Several Vance lines immigrated in the early 1800s from Ireland to Louisiana; they were part of what we call Group 8 in the Vance DNA Project which has been traced to the general area around the town of Coagh in the north of Ireland. Your Ralph may be descended from one of those Group 8 Vance immigrants, if his Vance line has been there for several generations.

      There was a book on Vances in Ireland published in 1860 that started the story of Sir Lancelot Vance; while there is some doubt now whether a Vance of that name actually existed, the Vances in Ireland certainly existed back it seems well before the 1600s!

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  16. Hello Vance’s! My name is Katherine Vance and after doing some research I found out my family resided in Alabama since the mid 1800s. My grandfather is Hazie Lee, his father Elbert, his father Zebulon (wild name!), his father Charles William and then perhaps his father Miles Marion Vance maybe born 1812? I’d like to find out some more information about my lineage before coming to America!

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    1. Hi! The VFA has your line from Miles Marion Vance down to Elbert confirmed as you stated it. Miles' father is believed to be Valentine Vance (c.1774-aft.1850) who lived in Virginia and Cherokee, NC. We don't know anything about Valentine's origins before that, but we also don't have DNA for this line of Vances so if you have brothers or male cousins (we'd need a direct male-line descendant of these Vances so a living man who probably still carries the Vance surname) and he'd be willing to get his Y-DNA tested we could probably tell more about the pre-US origins of these Vances!

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    2. Zebulon Vance was also the name of the Govenor of North Carolina during the Civil War
      Governor Vance was the only anti slavery, anti civil war Govenor in south at that time.

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    3. Zebulon is also the name of one of the 12 tribes listed in the Old Testiment of the Bible.

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    4. Many Vances left Mingo County,W.V. during the great migration during the 1960s to Cleveland, Ohio. Later headed to FL

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  17. Hi there. My name is Elizabeth. I know very little of my ancestors. I am from Vicksburg, MS. I remember hearing or talking about these family members. Great grandfather was Finnas Newton Vance, grandfather was Travis Thomas Vance, Sr. Could you help me trace my family lineage? I’m sorry I don’t have more information. My grandfather died when I was 1.5 years old and have no contact with anyone else.

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    1. Hi! Your Finis Newton Vance isn't in the VFA records, but you have perhaps an aunt named Carolyn Smith who has put some information on MyHeritage that Finis's parents were William Ralph Vance (1855-1907) and Lucy Woodcox (1870-?). You'd have to check with her for her sources. If that's the case, William Ralph's parents were Samuel Lewis Vance (1831-1866) and Mary Williams (1831-1902), and Samuel's Vance line traces back another 3 generations to John Vance (c.1680-1757) who came from Antrim, Ireland to Bedford, Virginia, and was possibly the John Vance who married Elizabeth Calloway in Middlesex Co, VA in 1697.

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    2. I see from online obituaries etc that there may be Vance sons or grandsons of Travis Thomas Vance still living; if so then if they'd be willing to take a Y-DNA test we could join them to the Vance DNA project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/vance/about/results) and we could tell more about where this Vance line was from originally!

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    3. I’ve done my Y700 test. Can I submit it to the Vance project?

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    4. Regarding the Y700 test, we welcome any test into the Vance project which can inform us about Vance ancestry - which normally means a test on any male carrying the Vance surname because surnames were traditionally passed down many generations from fathers to sons just like Y DNA. So yes if you've done your Y700 test on Y-DNA which was passed down by Vances, absolutely join the Vance project (see the link in my reply just before your question, and click on the "Join" button to the right inside the graphic near the top of the page).

      If your Y-DNA didn't come from a Vance line then your Y700 test wouldn't tell us much (though you should join whichever surname project it came from!).

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  18. They may be the Vances from Newton county, MS. If so, they immigrated from Londonderry, Northern Ireland in the mid 1800s

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  19. Hi my name is Amylee ( maiden Vance ) Brixhe , my father was Thomas Vance ( from Tweed Ontario Canada ) his father was Malcolm Vance & mother Ada Vance ( Evan’s ) all from Ontario, I have looked up a few Vance’s from Bancroft Ontario Canada. Be nice to know how they ended up there?

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  20. Im Lisa Vance my dad is Donnie Vance his parents orville vance and sarah liza pierce vance. They were all from kentucky the family tree goes back to a David vance but none of the ones mentioned on here. I did a dna testing and it shows i am atleast half scottish coming from my dad. My dad never knew we were of scottish descendent. I can't seem to go beyond David Vance with records. Alot of records were destroyed from a fire in courthouse i guess. So no birth certificates or marriage license beyond this David Vance but he was in kentucky thatsall i know.

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  21. Hi, My name is Jacob I. Vance (born in Tulsa, OK in 1997), my dad is Daniel A. Vance (Jan 30 1976), and Grandpa is David A Vance (Oct 13, 1954). We've traced our Vance heritage back to what I believe was Thomas Vance in Ohio (Had a son named John Newton Vance born circa 1838, and Silas Vance). Would love to get whatever information I can!! Thanks.

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  22. I'm jay Vance and im
    From Northern Ireland I'm just wondering how do get a DNA test done πŸ‘πŸ»πŸΎ

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  23. I was named Vance after my grandfather's middle name. His lineage is from UK dating back to the 1600's.

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  24. Hello, my Grannie was Phyllis Jean Vance, her father was Wilbur Charles Vance.

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  25. Hello, my Grannie was Phyllis Jean Vance, her father was Wilbur Charles Vance. I would like to know if William Anderson (Devil Anse) Hatfield was a Family Member of mine. I'd also like to know if JD Vance is a relative of mine. Thank you, Sarah

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  26. Hello! I’m one of Abner’s descendants. Then it goes to Richard, John Wesley, Miles, Arnold, Sandra, then me. I was raised in Knott County Ky. My mother told us stories of the Vance’s when we were little. She still remembers all of them now! Never cross a Vance! πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‚

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  27. After Miles was Johney, sorry!

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  28. Hello I am a Vance descendent. I am just beginning the search of my Vance ancestors. My Great, great Grandfather was Thomas Melvin Vance "Todd" in Newland, NC. I have been able to trace my Vance ancestors to Sir John Vaus of Long Castle 1573. This is all so exciting. I'm going to Ireland and Scotland for a visit and I hope to be able to find a lot more family information prior to my visit.

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  29. Hi and thank you in advance. I have been able to get to my 5 times great grandfather Thomas Vance, but cannot seem to find any other information pass him. Any information you could give me, would be greatly appreciated. I have looked at the Vance Family Association website, but out of all the family groups, I could not find any ancestors with the same names. Here is all the I formation I have: My name is Michelle Vance, my father's name is James Michael Vance who married Catherine Elaine Look. My grandfather's name is James David Vance from Missouri, and he was born in 1926 and married Ina Mae Vaughn. His father was James Arnold Vance, born in 1900 and was married to Hazel Marie Williams. His father was Ole Vance, born in 1872 and married Sallie Ann Rinehart. His father was Silas Vance, born in 1828 and married Catherine Bozzell. His father was Thomas Vance, from Ohio, born in 1803 and married Catharine Phillips in Indiana.

    Thank you and God Bless!
    Michelle Vance

    Also you can email me at michellebelle1616@gmail.com

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  30. Hi, my paternal Grandfather was Edgar Festus Vance, he was born around 1900. He said his family was from Missouri. He came to Canada when he was a boy, I think. His sister remembered sitting on Jessee James' knee when she was a girl. There are Quantrill's somewhere in the history too. I wonder if they escaped to Canada to run from the law. Do you know anything about these Vances? I don't think it's a pleasant story

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  31. Hello I'm looking for my family that's connect to Todd Vance Martha Vance, they're my GGreat Grandparents from the south.
    Mississippi Choctaw/ Louisiana Cherokee
    My grandfather's name is Elmo Vance
    he was married to
    Willie Mae Jones from Louisiana
    MY mothers name is Brenda Vance
    Aunty Paulette Vance, sisters Fresno CA
    Also a grandparrent named Carlissa Vance
    . This is just a few names for now Hopefully someone Ican help me. Thank you

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  32. Oscar Oliver Vance did some time in Leavenworth for making Moonshine. This is the line my brother & I are related to. I never had children. As far as I know my brother had only girls. We were related to Russell C (son was Russell Lee).

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  33. My name is Patricia Vance Moser, looking for where family came from .First known is in Rochester NY and on to Midland, Michigan. My father is Claude John Vance, his grandfather, John Bion Vance.

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